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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I think tobacco should be classified as a harmful drug. In a perfect world I'd support outlawing it altogether. However, due to centuries of it being legal and being a realist I know that's not happening any time soon.

    - No smoking in public including outdoors and establishments that are open to the public.
    - No smoking in private if children are present.
    - No smoking in private in inclosed structures where children will be present within ???? unless there is code certified ventilation apparatus installed.
    - Smoking allowed in private homes, outdoors on private land, in private clubs not open to the public and in private vehicles (cars, boats, RVs etc.); provided second-hand smoke protections for children as described above are followed.
    The local community college here forbids smoking in one's own private vehicle while driving on campus. Even if alone and even if the windows are up. Is that going too far?
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Well cigarette smoke contains many dangerous chemicals where as marijuana does not.
    Excuse me as I call "complete bull****" on that. It simply has not been researched as much, for obvious reasons. But it is there.

    Here's another reason to "keep off the grass." Researchers in Canada report that marijuana smoke contains significantly higher levels of several toxic compounds -- including ammonia and hydrogen cyanide -- than tobacco smoke and may therefore pose similar health risks.

    David Moir and colleagues note that researchers have conducted extensive studies on the chemical composition of tobacco smoke, which contains a host of toxic substances, including about 50 that can cause cancer. However, there has been relatively little research on the chemical composition of marijuana smoke.

    In this new study, researchers compared marijuana smoke to tobacco smoke, using smoking machines to simulate the smoking habits of users. The scientists found that ammonia levels were 20 times higher in the marijuana smoke than in the tobacco smoke, while hydrogen cyanide, nitric oxide and certain aromatic amines occurred at levels 3-5 times higher in the marijuana smoke, they say. The finding is "important information for public health and communication of the risk related to exposure to such materials," say the researchers.
    Marijuana Smoke Contains Higher Levels Of Certain Toxins Than Tobacco Smoke

    Marijuana smoke contains over 4000 identified chemicals, including more than 50 that are known to cause cancer (Moir et al., 2008). It contains a similar range of harmful chemicals to that of tobacco smoke (including irritants and carcinogens) (Hoffmann et al, 1975). As inhaled smoke comes into contact with airway and lung before being absorbed into the bloodstream, it is likely to affect the respiratory system (Novotny et al, 1982).
    Learn About Marijuana: Factsheets: Respiratory Effects of Marijuana

    I can go on and on, but don't even try that "but it is harmless" bull****. Pot is known to be higher in tar, and a great many chemicals then tobacco is. So try doing some research instead of just repeating fluffy clouds and rainbows.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    What about letting people decide for themselves?

    Look, nobody here is really saying that all business should allow smoking, simply allow a businesses to do so if they choose to.

    Or does personal choice mean that little to you?
    It seems that, for many, personal choice is limited to things that they like. SSM proponents are often for bans/restrictions for smoking and gun rights. Abortion ban folks are often pro gun. Ironies abound when true individual freedom is concerned.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You do know that they are just protecting their casinos and smokers who lose a lot of money there. Can you imagine how much money they would lose if smoking was banned in the casinos?
    Umm. Are we agreeing or disagreeing? What we're protecting is our single major industry. To you non-NV folks, Casinos are just another revenue format. To us, its life and death. Gambling, drinking, boobies and smoking are part of the same net function.

    They are already backing off the restaurant laws and allowing smoking in some cases. Nobody likes to see their business lost.

    Now, do I feel non-smokers have the right to a smoke-free meal? Yes. Should there be smoke free gaming areas in the Casino? Yes. That's good business practice.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    What about letting people decide for themselves?

    Look, nobody here is really saying that all business should allow smoking, simply allow a businesses to do so if they choose to.

    Or does personal choice mean that little to you?

    I'm okay with structuring a restaurant as a private club that allows smoking. It would be a members only facility that does not allow children. Regular restaurants are considered public accommodations, subject to a host of regulation in consideration of the fact that the general public accesses them. Even though its privately owned, the nature of their community-wide accessibility places them in a type of private/public facility role.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The local community college here forbids smoking in one's own private vehicle while driving on campus. Even if alone and even if the windows are up. Is that going too far?
    I think so.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I'm okay with structuring a restaurant as a private club that allows smoking. It would be a members only facility that does not allow children. Regular restaurants are considered public accommodations, subject to a host of regulation in consideration of the fact that the general public accesses them. Even though its privately owned, the nature of their community-wide accessibility places them in a type of private/public facility role.
    And once again, you fail to see the entire problem. Why must it be a private club? And what is a "private club"?

    And does this even work for most states?

    For example, in California this would not work at all. In this state, only private clubs where the staff is entirely volunteer and makes no money other then tips can smoking be allowed.

    Most states do in fact even ban smoking in private clubs. The few loopholes tend to be where the staff is unpaid volunteers for a non-profit club (like VFW and American Legion). But this is actually an exception, not the norm.

    So are you willing to allow all such bans on private clubs to be removed so smoking would be allowed there?

    EXEMPTIONS FROM SMOKING BANS FOR PRIVATE CLUBS
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Especially if their choices give other people cancer or create medical expenses other people will be expected to share. (facetiously speaking)
    That's why cigarettes are taxed at over 100%.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Cars provide a vital service mankind now depends upon. Fluoride is a by product of aluminum manufacturing if I'm not mistaken, an important material. Plus science has figured out a dental health benefit for it. Tobacco does nothing except give its addicts their latest fix.

    BTW: another topic but I support significantly reducing car exhaust with aggressive development of electric cars. I good friend of mine got one on lease this year and loves it. $250 a month, under $30 a month in electricity and no gas, no oil changes.
    So he has a coal powered car.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    There should be no government regulations on smoking in a restaurant and bars. It should be on the owner of the place to determine if the establishment is smoking or non-smoking.
    And it is every customers right to sue the owner for exposing them to cancer causing substances.

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