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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    There should be no government regulations on smoking in a restaurant and bars. It should be on the owner of the place to determine if the establishment is smoking or non-smoking.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    I live in a state that allows smoking in bars. It's based on the % of business done for food compared to alcohol or something (not an expert).

    That being said...most don't allow smoking in doors and (even though I smoke when I drink) I avoid bars that allow smoking in doors like the plague. Your eyes burn, it's smoky, it's dingy. I guess if some place wants to allow smoking and they just serve alcohol it should be allowed.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    where i live, they can still smoke in most bars, though it has been banned in restaurants and within thirty feet of doorways.

    i used to get heated about this issue when i was in the cigarette trap myself. now i just don't want to be around it that much. sure, stay out of bars, i know. however, i play bar gigs, and then i have to inhale it. if i go into a bar in my town, it's an absolute pea soup of smoke. would i shed a tear if it was banned? no. however, i'm not one of those self righteous ex smokers who goes around chastising someone for smoking outside. i hate assholes who confront people like that.

    here's a compromise position :

    i've played many bars, and the problem is as much air circulation as it is the smoke itself. so, why not let bars install devices in smoking areas that suck out all of the smoke? it will be expensive, but if they want to allow it, they can invest the money and become the places that smokers gravitate to. exceptions : VFW and other private clubs for vets. they should be able to do whatever the **** they want, and honestly, the government should pay for the damned drinks. we sent them to war and included cigarettes in their rations. is it any wonder that they smoke? yeah, they earned the right to do that.

    about ten years ago, i would have raged against my even lukewarm support of a ban, but i've since learned that the habit is useless, and it was actually pretty easy to stop. to those who smoke now : don't worry, you won't miss it if you do it the right way. you don't even have to earn it like weight loss. once that last one is put out, you're instantly a nonsmoker and then you can go on about your life without carrying that parasite.
    Smoking in public accommodations is outlawed statewide where I live. I think it was by ballot initiative. I know a restaurant owner who moaned and groaned when it was being enacted saying it would hurt the restaurant business. After it passed, he ate crow and said he never would have expected it but his business went UP after the smoking ban.

    Prior to the ban there were so-called "non-smoking sections" at restaurants. At some restaurants including his, the difference between the smoking and non-smoking sections was a joke; the left side of the restaurant vs. the right side. No wall, no special ventilation; nothing. The only separation was an imaginary line a few feet wide. Ask for a non-smoking seat on a busy night and they'd put up right next to the smoking section with no way of keeping the smoke away. Freedom to breathe clean air for smokers means the right to stay in your house and never leave home.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Especially if their choices give other people cancer or create medical expenses other people will be expected to share. (facetiously speaking)
    Because car exhaust is healthy. Flouride is healthy. Nothing is safe. Do you want to ban everything?

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    We as a country never have, why would we start now
    The same reason we started freeing slaves. Its the right thing to do

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Smoking in public accommodations is outlawed statewide where I live. I think it was by ballot initiative. I know a restaurant owner who moaned and groaned when it was being enacted saying it would hurt the restaurant business. After it passed, he ate crow and said he never would have expected it but his business went UP after the smoking ban.

    Prior to the ban there were so-called "non-smoking sections" at restaurants. At some restaurants including his, the difference between the smoking and non-smoking sections was a joke; the left side of the restaurant vs. the right side. No wall, no special ventilation; nothing. The only separation was an imaginary line a few feet wide. Ask for a non-smoking seat on a busy night and they'd put up right next to the smoking section with no way of keeping the smoke away. Freedom to breathe clean air for smokers means the right to stay in your house and never leave home.
    it's basically just a matter of time until it's outlawed everywhere. casinos will be the last holdouts, and then it will include them, too. probably another ten years or so. i won't miss smelling it and smelling like it after i go out. i have to put my coat in the dryer for about forty minutes with dryer sheets just to get the smell out from being around it for a couple hours.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Like here in California, where smoking violations normally carry a $500+ fine.

    Where as smoking marijuana in the exact same situation carries only a $50 fine.

    And here is where the real insanity starts. Obviously weed has some kind of magical smoke which does absolutely no harm at all. Where as tobacco smoke is custom designed to seek out and kill non-smokers.

    There are places that already ban them, and have for decades. Sausalito passed it's ban way back in 1991. Ironically it was illegal to wear perfume in bars there while it was still legal to soke in them.
    Well cigarette smoke contains many dangerous chemicals where as marijuana does not.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Most states have blanket bans against smoking in all bars and restaurants. No exceptions. As a result, you often see smokers huddled in small groups outside partaking in cigarettes.

    I am not, and have never been, a smoker but to me this in inherently unfair. IMO, the state should set aside special permits for a small percentage of bars and restaurants where smoking be allowed. To pick a number, I would say 10% to 15% of bars and restaurants should be allowed to have smoking inside. Have them post a large sign at each entrance notifying potentials customers, so everyone is fully informed and able to make their own choice. No one needs to go in and act surprised.

    I don't see the need to make them age-restricted to 18+ or 21+, but I could live with that compromise.

    What think you?
    So long as its clearly posted, it should be up to the owner.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Especially if their choices give other people cancer or create medical expenses other people will be expected to share. (facetiously speaking)
    What about letting people decide for themselves?

    Look, nobody here is really saying that all business should allow smoking, simply allow a businesses to do so if they choose to.

    Or does personal choice mean that little to you?
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil_Osophy View Post
    Because car exhaust is healthy. Flouride is healthy. Nothing is safe. Do you want to ban everything?
    Cars provide a vital service mankind now depends upon. Fluoride is a by product of aluminum manufacturing if I'm not mistaken, an important material. Plus science has figured out a dental health benefit for it. Tobacco does nothing except give its addicts their latest fix.

    BTW: another topic but I support significantly reducing car exhaust with aggressive development of electric cars. I good friend of mine got one on lease this year and loves it. $250 a month, under $30 a month in electricity and no gas, no oil changes.
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