View Poll Results: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I can agree with that. If an establishment wants to allow it, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to; at least employees will then still have a choice to work in a smoking versus nonsmoking environment.
    Exactly, I'm not saying that it doesn't need some curbing, but you've got to give the people a choice...

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Cute, but farts don't cause deadly respiratory illnesses and heart disease.
    But it is mostly methane, which is a "Greenhouse Gas", therefore it accelerates global warming.

    Personally, I can't wait until I can retire and move the hell out of California. This mommystate is driving me crazy, and I have only been back here a year.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    But it is mostly methane, which is a "Greenhouse Gas", therefore it accelerates global warming.

    Personally, I can't wait until I can retire and move the hell out of California. This mommystate is driving me crazy, and I have only been back here a year.
    Sure okay, but it's still different from cigarette smoke.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    What's further, these vile cretins in Illinois have passed a law making a habit basically that I've done for 25 years a felony! Whenever there is an ashtray around, I toss my butts in it. But if there isn't one? FLICK! Off into the wind it goes. Now, I have to worry about a felony for doing something people have been doing since cigarettes began...

    And what's worse, cars? yeah, they don't come with ashtrays in them anymore...

    This crap is getting out of hand...

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    It may be stupid, disgusting and invasive to others Bodhisattva, but the question was related to private businesses not sporting events or on an airplane. Even though you find it disgusting, others may not. Yet because you don't like it, it should be banned from all public establishments? What has happened to tolerance? Why can't business owners make their own choices? If you don't want to be around it, why can't you find a place that doesn't allow it? And if smoking is so bad then why isn't there an all out ban to abolish it? Is it because those who complain about it the most are enjoying the taxes it generates?
    What if I find the idea of pork products, or combining meat and dairy offensive? Do I have the right to demand that everybody adopt a kosher lifestyle just because I personally find that not doing so is offensive?

    That is the problem with most of the arguments by the "ban it all" crowd. They have no problem banning something because they agree with the ban, but would fight tooth and nail if they were against such a ban.

    Personally, when those laws started to get passed in California I did not smoke. I did not care for smoking, but I also saw it as a restriction placed by force upon business owners on what is a legal substance.

    But hey, let's just crank everything down. I say we ban the sales of alcohol in any place that people under 21 can see them, because it glorifies alcohol.
    And require liquor stores to have opaque windows, and follow all the laws of porn shops to keep our kids safe.

    And ban all movies that show a vehicle used in an unsafe manner, because it can encourage kids to do the same thing when they start to drive.

    This "ban it all" attitude is something which greatly disturbs me. We even have cities where perfume is banned because of people with "environmental allergies". And I have been in parks where dogs were not allowed.

    WTF ever happened to personal responsibility, and minding your own business?
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    I have to strongly disagree smoking is horrible for the person smoking and everyone around them, we need to do everything to discourage it by making it socially unacceptable and keep all public places smoke free.
    Fine then start a movement to ban them. And that way the sin taxes will cease and you can step in and help fill the void starting with your own wallet.

    And since I know of no person on this earth who is free of vices, whether it is cigarettes, alcohol, drugs (illegal or prescription), food, sex, coffee, tea, chocolate etc. who knows the way things are going, your vice may be taxed or banned next.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    What's further, these vile cretins in Illinois have passed a law making a habit basically that I've done for 25 years a felony! Whenever there is an ashtray around, I toss my butts in it. But if there isn't one? FLICK! Off into the wind it goes. Now, I have to worry about a felony for doing something people have been doing since cigarettes began...

    And what's worse, cars? yeah, they don't come with ashtrays in them anymore...

    This crap is getting out of hand...
    Just do like anybody in the military does... field strip your cigarette.

    Basically right before you smoke the last bit, you squeeze and roll it between your fingers, forcing out the tip and any tobacco still in it, then drop the filter in your pocket to dispose of later.

    If you look in most butt cans in the military, they are full of field stripped cigarettes.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Personally, I think it sounds like a good reason. Second-hand smoke can be deadly and cause emphysema and other lung diseases. In restaurants, there are kids working who are not even old enough to buy cigarettes for themselves and they shouldn't be forced to be exposed to other people's smoke at the workplace just because they happen to work at a restaurant.

    In bars, I don't really have much of a problem with it, but in restaurants where people are eating? Disgusting. I don't think it's a big deal to wait until after dinner and go outside to smoke.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Just do like anybody in the military does... field strip your cigarette.

    Basically right before you smoke the last bit, you squeeze and roll it between your fingers, forcing out the tip and any tobacco still in it, then drop the filter in your pocket to dispose of later.

    If you look in most butt cans in the military, they are full of field stripped cigarettes.
    Yeah, in I'm some places I do that, but walking down the street, I just flick it in the street.

    Actually if I read the law correctly, I can simply break off the tip and toss it but have to pocket the butt...

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Just remember if YOU impose on others, THEY will impose upon you.
    If a restaurant owner wants his or her restaurant to be smoke free, then it really isn't an imposition.

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