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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Chez have you ever seen the movie Demolition Man? It takes place in the future of Los Angeles California. Los Angeles was taken over by the elites. There were cameras watching everyone at all times. You were fined for cussing or using any type of "hate speech". They banned any physical sexual activity and it was replaced with some electronic mind game because sexual contact was deemed no longer safe to swap spit and bump each other's fun parts because of the spread of disease. All restaurants were called Taco Bell but it wasn't a Taco Bell where you could get a Burrito Supreme. Everyone who was against this nanny state moved underground like Mole people.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    and neither do other people's cars...

    I don't own a car, and I am quite upset I have to have my lungs polluted every time I walk out of the house by other people's filthy, disgusting, dirty habit...
    I disagree, for the most part cars are not a habit they're an economic reality.


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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    What's the name of that fantastic brewpub in downtown Decatur on the square? I remember when you could smoke there and it was packed. Great beer. Actually I could give you a list a yard long of great bars in Atlanta that became great bars when smoking was permitted. It never hurt business.
    Doesn't mean that the health risks didn't apply. That is the contention here and that is why smoking needs to be banned inside of bars and restaurants.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Although smoking is legal... it is also stupid, disgusting and invasive to others.

    No. Smoking should NEVER be allowed in public buildings, at sporting events or in an airplane.
    It may be stupid, disgusting and invasive to others Bodhisattva, but the question was related to private businesses not sporting events or on an airplane. Even though you find it disgusting, others may not. Yet because you don't like it, it should be banned from all public establishments? What has happened to tolerance? Why can't business owners make their own choices? If you don't want to be around it, why can't you find a place that doesn't allow it? And if smoking is so bad then why isn't there an all out ban to abolish it? Is it because those who complain about it the most are enjoying the taxes it generates?

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Doesn't mean that the health risks didn't apply. That is the contention here and that is why smoking needs to be banned inside of bars and restaurants.
    I understand that. My position is that it should be a decision left to the business owner. Potential employees and patrons can make their decisions accordingly. Everyone should be free to choose. Seemed to me that you were saying people would find it difficult to get a job in a non-smoking bar or restaurant if the law was lifted. That's why every bar and restaurant you or I could ever patronize always has employees taking a smoke break outside by the dumpsters, innit?

    If the owner of the brewpub in Decatur could allow smoking would he/she? I have no idea. It didn't hurt their business in the past. I'd recommend that restaurants could establish smoke free patios. Non-smokers could work in non-smoking establishments. I don't see why that would be inequitable.










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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oozlefinch View Post
    Only until 1998., Then the complete ban in all bars and restaurants went into effect.

    One I remember going to often was Louisiana Hots, in Palmdale. One of the local hotspots, their Friday Karaoke was hugely popular, and seeing somebody come in like Jamie Jones (All-4-One), Noah Hathaway (Boxy, Atrayu) and Afroman were regular occurrences on Friday night. But when the ban went into effect, the business basically crashed. They tried to put in outside smoking areas, but the county said each was in violation of some kind of ordinance, so eventually you would go there and see 100 people in the parking lot, but nobody inside.

    A year later they closed their doors. I talked to the owner right before that happened, and he said the 100% smoking ban killed him. And several other places I went to suffered the same fate. In most of California other ordinances restrict or prohibit outside seating which allow smoking, so the only choice is to leave the business. The most recent prohibits smoking within 20 feet of a door or window, which outlawed most of the patios which allowed smoking, since I have never seen one 20 feet from a doorway.
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    Good thing you do not live in New jersey - they treat them legally just like cigarettes.

    And just a few months ago a bill to do the same thing in California almost made it to a vote in the State Legislature (it was shelved because they knew they did not have the votes). But it will be reintroduced next year, and it is already expected to pass when it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    True, but last I checked, employees aren't forced to work in any particular establishment. They have as much a choice as the owners of the establishment.
    No. And nobody is forced to live in a State. Or a country. Etc. Etc.

    There are many laws regarding employees. Thousands, maybe even millions of stupid (and smart) laws. Welcome to America.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    And if smoking is so bad then why isn't there an all out ban to abolish it? Is it because those who complain about it the most are enjoying the taxes it generates?
    THAT. It's the tax revenues generated.

    State and local cigarette taxes brought in $17.1 billion in 2011. The federal government got another $15.5 billion. - See more at: 19 states & DC have increased cig taxes since '09, state and local cig taxes raised $17.1b in '11
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    I have to strongly disagree smoking is horrible for the person smoking and everyone around them, we need to do everything to discourage it by making it socially unacceptable and keep all public places smoke free.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I disagree, for the most part cars are not a habit they're an economic reality.
    Relativistic twaddle. tobacco isn't? It was the damn crop this country was FOUNDED ON! Some gratitude...

    What do you think your taxation in basically, mmm, EVERYTHiNG would be if the government didn't have the tobacco tax to play with?

    I'd just as soon have you say thank you for your contribution, leave it at that and allow smokers the right to smoke wherever an establishment determines it wants to allow it.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Relativistic twaddle. tobacco isn't? It was the damn crop this country was FOUNDED ON! Some gratitude...

    What do you think your taxation in basically, mmm, EVERYTHiNG would be if the government didn't have the tobacco tax to play with?

    I'd just as soon have you say thank you for your contribution and allow smokers the right to smoke wherever an establishment determines it wants to allow it.
    I can agree with that. If an establishment wants to allow it, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to; at least employees will then still have a choice to work in a smoking versus nonsmoking environment.

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