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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I believe these laws were enacted to protect workers who would otherwise have no choice but to be in close contact with other people's second-hand smoke which can endanger their health.
    That was bull**** excuse and it doesn't hold water, Chris. Employees who don't want to be exposed to smoke are welcomed to find employment in places that do not permit smoking. If the anti-smoke advocates are correct there would be far, far more smoke free bars even if the band was lifted. If that is true then it would be easier to find a job in a smoke free establishment than find a job in a smokeless establishment.










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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Certainly many or most of us agree with you. It is a sad fact, however, that when establishments began losing revenue after smoking bans went into effect they looked for a way to bring in new customers. Unfortunately they turned great drinking establishments into family friendly places with kids menus and ice cream.

    My wife and I were actually in one of those new "family friendly" former good old drinking establishments a few years ago in Tempe when we heard a table of moms with children seated in the bar area loudly chastise a couple of guys sitting at the bar having beers and watching a football game, "Watch your language please there are children here."

    ****ing hell!

    I would have been shocked, but it wasn't the first time I'd seen that happen.

    In England bars are closing at a rapid pace. I can't say that no smoking is the sole reason, but I know the decline began not long after the ban on smoking.
    Honestly. I would have told those people to **** off personally lol. It's a bar. It's not an apple bees.

    Although I know what you mean. My Mother wants to try a local bar the town over for lunch...and I keep telling her it's a bar...and she doesn't believe me. Trust me...got drunk there quite a few times. Great place, good bar tenders, right near a college too so always a good time....but since they serve lunch it's just entirely impossible to shake that perception.


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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And once again that harm doesn't exist with the proper equipment.
    False.

    CDC - Fact Sheet - Ventilation Does not Protect From Secondhand Smoke - Smoking & Tobacco Use

    The American Society of Heating, Refrigerating and Air-Conditioning Engineers (ASHRAE), the U.S. standard-setting body on ventilation issues, has concluded the following:3

    "The only means of effectively eliminating health risks associated with indoor exposure is to ban smoking activity
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I agree with everything you wrote. But I think you are too much the optimist with your last sentence...
    Chez have you ever seen the movie Demolition Man? It takes place in the future of Los Angeles California. Los Angeles was taken over by the elites. There were cameras watching everyone at all times. You were fined for cussing or using any type of "hate speech". They banned any physical sexual activity and it was replaced with some electronic mind game because sexual contact was deemed no longer safe to swap spit and bump each other's fun parts because of the spread of disease. All restaurants were called Taco Bell but it wasn't a Taco Bell where you could get a Burrito Supreme. Everyone who was against this nanny state moved underground like Mole people.

    This movie was released in 1998. Since then California went from banning cigarette smoking and now has folks trying to have barbecue grills ban because of the "carcinogens" they let off. There is currently "hate speech" legislation working its way through Congress. California has legislation currently asking for people involved in sex scenes in movies wear protective eye goggles. Never say never, there are enough control freaks out there that anything is possible and if they are allowed to continue who knows what any of us will be facing in the near future.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    That was bull**** excuse and it doesn't hold water, Chris. Employees who don't want to be exposed to smoke are welcomed to find employment in places that do not permit smoking. If the anti-smoke advocates are correct there would be far, far more smoke free bars even if the band was lifted. If that is true then it would be easier to find a job in a smoke free establishment than find a job in a smokeless establishment.
    Personally, I think it sounds like a good reason. Second-hand smoke can be deadly and cause emphysema and other lung diseases. In restaurants, there are kids working who are not even old enough to buy cigarettes for themselves and they shouldn't be forced to be exposed to other people's smoke at the workplace just because they happen to work at a restaurant.

    In bars, I don't really have much of a problem with it, but in restaurants where people are eating? Disgusting. I don't think it's a big deal to wait until after dinner and go outside to smoke.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    That was bull**** excuse and it doesn't hold water, Chris. Employees who don't want to be exposed to smoke are welcomed to find employment in places that do not permit smoking. If the anti-smoke advocates are correct there would be far, far more smoke free bars even if the band was lifted. If that is true then it would be easier to find a job in a smoke free establishment than find a job in a smokeless establishment.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Personally, I think it sounds like a good reason. Second-hand smoke can be deadly and cause emphysema and other lung diseases. In restaurants, there are kids working who are not even old enough to buy cigarettes for themselves and they shouldn't be forced to be exposed to other people's smoke at the workplace just because they happen to work at a restaurant.

    In bars, I don't really have much of a problem with it, but in restaurants where people are eating? Disgusting. I don't think it's a big deal to wait until after dinner and go outside to smoke.
    People fart in restaurants, ChrisL. Your dates have probably farted in restaurants. Your grandmother probably farts in restaurants all the time. But we endure.










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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    People fart in restaurants, ChrisL. Your dates have probably farted in restaurants. Your grandmother probably farts in restaurants all the time. But we endure.
    Cute, but farts don't cause deadly respiratory illnesses and heart disease.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Yeah, since that is real easy.
    What's the name of that fantastic brewpub in downtown Decatur on the square? I remember when you could smoke there and it was packed. Great beer. Actually I could give you a list a yard long of great bars in Atlanta that became great bars when smoking was permitted. It never hurt business.










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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Although smoking is legal... it is also stupid, disgusting and invasive to others.

    No. Smoking should NEVER be allowed in public buildings, at sporting events or in an airplane.
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