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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Once smoking bans went into effect bars became "family friendly". Many good, REAL, bars have been ruined since families began bringing their children because the environment is smoke free.
    A real bar was never "family friendly". Only the yuppie places that serve meals and drinks (TGI Fridays, Red Robin, etc). To me that is more a pub then a bar. And even those generally had restrictions where kids were not allowed in the bar section.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Once smoking bans went into effect bars became "family friendly". Many good, REAL, bars have been ruined since families began bringing their children because the environment is smoke free.
    Who brings their kids into a bar? That's not good parenting. I thought you had to be 18 to enter a bar...21 to drink in the bar....period. Hell I got carded the other day just for stepping into Cigars International!


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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I'm certainly inclined to agree with you. If the owner so chooses to allow smoking in his establishment and hangs a shingle outside making it very clear smoking is allowed then those who don't wish to be around the smoke need not enter. Same with an owner that wants a smoke free establishment. Those who smoke need not bitch about it but move on to a place that allows it. These laws get passed at the state level where the self-righteous decide what is best for everyone. They just can't let people make their own choices and take responsibility for them. They are the same ones that vote yes on the increase of every sin tax that comes down the pike too. With the way government is encroaching now on determining what a person can eat, I'm looking for governments to start taxing the fat. Maybe then some folks will wake up and see the light.
    I agree with everything you wrote. But I think you are too much the optimist with your last sentence...

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    But aren't you treading on ours, by forcing us to inhale your smoke? Why can't you just stand outside? Or better yet, wait til your meal is over?
    You don't have to eat there A) B) which is more important, it the business has right to include or not smoking. They get to make that decision not you. So long as they inform people smokers are welcome there, and their employees are informed and sign off on knowing smoking is allowed at the establishment. The business is the one talking the risk. Not you, not me. Its their choice. Its quite frankly the antithesis of the American way to do other than allow the business owner the choice and freedom.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Had there been other choices, I would have walked out. I guarantee that if there was a restaurant where I live that allowed smoking, I'd never patronize the place. I'd choose somewhere else. But I was on a road trip, and as I mentioned, this was the only place around for a while.

    Also, I don't have to worry about restaurants changing their policy. The government has taken care of that for me.
    So what else do you want government to take care of? And the flip side of that question what if decide for your own good of course, to take care of something you don't want them to? Then what. You don't like smoking so you impose your views. When you impose you should always expect to be imposed upon.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Of course it should be allowed, depending on the decision of the owner of the establishment.
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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Most states have blanket bans against smoking in all bars and restaurants. No exceptions. As a result, you often see smokers huddled in small groups outside partaking in cigarettes.

    I am not, and have never been, a smoker but to me this in inherently unfair. IMO, the state should set aside special permits for a small percentage of bars and restaurants where smoking be allowed. To pick a number, I would say 10% to 15% of bars and restaurants should be allowed to have smoking inside. Have them post a large sign at each entrance notifying potentials customers, so everyone is fully informed and able to make their own choice. No one needs to go in and act surprised.

    I don't see the need to make them age-restricted to 18+ or 21+, but I could live with that compromise.

    What think you?
    I believe these laws were enacted to protect workers who would otherwise have no choice but to be in close contact with other people's second-hand smoke which can endanger their health.

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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Call for a country-wide ban on the internal combustion engine and then sing me that song...
    I wouldn't call for a ban on the internal combustion engine or smoking because I believe people have a right to smoke. But those smokers don't have a right to pollute other peoples space.


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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Constantine View Post
    Who brings their kids into a bar? That's not good parenting. I thought you had to be 18 to enter a bar...21 to drink in the bar....period. Hell I got carded the other day just for stepping into Cigars International!
    Certainly many or most of us agree with you. It is a sad fact, however, that when establishments began losing revenue after smoking bans went into effect they looked for a way to bring in new customers. Unfortunately they turned great drinking establishments into family friendly places with kids menus and ice cream.

    My wife and I were actually in one of those new "family friendly" former good old drinking establishments a few years ago in Tempe when we heard a table of moms with children seated in the bar area loudly chastise a couple of guys sitting at the bar having beers and watching a football game, "Watch your language please there are children here."

    ****ing hell!

    I would have been shocked, but it wasn't the first time I'd seen that happen.

    In England bars are closing at a rapid pace. I can't say that no smoking is the sole reason, but I know the decline began not long after the ban on smoking.










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    Re: Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I wouldn't call for a ban on the internal combustion engine or smoking because I believe people have a right to smoke. But those smokers don't have a right to pollute other peoples space.
    and neither do other people's cars...

    I don't own a car, and I am quite upset I have to have my lungs polluted every time I walk out of the house by other people's filthy, disgusting, dirty habit...

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