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Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

Should cigarette smoking be allowed in some bars & restaurants?

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radcen said:
To the smoker it's not a big deal because they're surrounded by smoke whether they're inside or outside.

Plus, historically, until relatively recently, smoking was so common and accepted and expected that it just wasn't a big deal. I think this mindset still relates to most present-day smokers.
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Kind of. I grew up in a family where everyone smoked (in a time when around 70% of adults smoked)... I think I started at 15 in self-defense, lol.


Still, when we'd get together and eat or play cards or something, sometimes the smoke would get so thick that even the heaviest smokers were saying "Dang, open a window somebody..." :)
 
radcen said:
To the smoker it's not a big deal because they're surrounded by smoke whether they're inside or outside.

Plus, historically, until relatively recently, smoking was so common and accepted and expected that it just wasn't a big deal. I think this mindset still relates to most present-day smokers.
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What do mean? It stinks really bad.
 
iguanaman said:
Fail
People go to gas stations to buy gas. There are also safeguards protecting you from vapors in many states.
People go to restaurants to eat and drink not breath cancerous smoke. If you can prove you are a regular customer and unless you signed a release you can sue for damages. If a wet floor can get you sued this certainly can.
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But what about the states with no safeguards?

Once again no one is forcing people to go those places therefore its should be owners choice.
 
Goshin said:
Kind of. I grew up in a family where everyone smoked (in a time when around 70% of adults smoked)... I think I started at 15 in self-defense, lol.

Still, when we'd get together and eat or play cards or something, sometimes the smoke would get so thick that even the heaviest smokers were saying "Dang, open a window somebody..." :)
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While I never smoked myself, I remember those days. Maybe because I grew up with it, it just seemed normal to me. :shrug:
 
radcen said:
Well, you don't think your own farts smell as bad as others think they do. ;)
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You're the second person to bring up farts. First of all, if you had any manners, you'd go into the bathroom to do your farting when out at a restaurant. I feel the same way about people blowing their noses too. It's disgusting and makes me lose my appetite.

Now that we've gotten that out of the way, the thread is about cigarette smoke, not farts or anything else. Cigarette smoke, which clings to your clothes and hair and is terrible for your health.
 
ChrisL said:
You're the second person to bring up farts. First of all, if you had any manners, you'd go into the bathroom to do your farting when out at a restaurant. I feel the same way about people blowing their noses too. It's disgusting and makes me lose my appetite.

Now that we've gotten that out of the way, the thread is about cigarette smoke, not farts or anything else. Cigarette smoke, which clings to your clothes and hair and is terrible for your health.
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Oh, geez, take a Valium. I was just pointing out that, while it may stink, people are usually not as aware when they're the culprit as others around them are.
 
radcen said:
Oh, geez, take a Valium. I was just pointing out that, while it may stink, people are usually not as aware when they're the culprit as others around them are.
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Nope, I don't do drugs either. :mrgreen: I just don't think it makes much sense to compare cigarette smoke that clings to everything and lasts longer as to a far. Also, a fart is usually involuntary, unlike smoking a cigarette.
 
ChrisL said:
The only problem is that the restaurants who don't allow smoking will lose a customer base, so more than likely there would be very few nonsmoking establishments.
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Very true. Honestly I can't remember what it was like in restaurants before the no smoking laws were enacted. I do seem to remember there being some that didn't allow it and still making it though.
 
ChrisL said:
I know, some smokers think it smells good. :)
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Actually, some of the new e-cigarettes don't smell bad, and they have lots of flavors to choose from. I think people are slowly kicking the cigarette habit. I still think that certain brands of pipe tobaco smell wonderful, though!
 
radcen said:
Actually, some pipe tobacco does smell good. Really good.

Not cigarettes, generally, and I have never met a cigar that smelled good.
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Cigarettes only smell good before they're lit. Cigars smell like farts.
 
polgara said:
Actually, some of the new e-cigarettes don't smell bad, and they have lots of flavors to choose from. I think people are slowly kicking the cigarette habit. I still think that certain brands of pipe tobaco smell wonderful, though!
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My grandfather used to smoke a pipe. I haven't smelled one in years.
 
I think it should be the business owner's decision. I was a smoker, now I have not been for two years. I would still go to places that had smoking, it doesn't effect me.
 
iguanaman said:
They came in expecting food not cancer causing smoke. If the place was called "The Cancer Castle" maybe you'd have a point.
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And when they see smoke they are free to leave. Its simple. Just ask "is this a non smoking restaraunt?" Before you pay.
 
People who think the ban on indoor smoking is due to health reasons/oppression of "legal activities", have no idea what they're talking about. Say a smoker leaves a cigarette lit somewhere in the bar, forgets about it and it starts a fire. What happens if the insurance company finds out? Guess who's **** out of luck? The owner. It has nothing to do with health concerns. It has to do with the fact that it's not covered by a large percentage of insurance companies so owners want to avoid drunk smokers like the plague.
 
polgara said:
Summerwind might disagree with you on that, but she's a smoker. :mrgreen:
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Cigarette smokers don't realize how badly they smell until they quit smoking. I used to live next door to a pair of heavy smokers. You could smell the stale smoke if you opened our window. I borrowed a box of cake mix from her one day, opened the box and the mix smelled like stale cigarette smoke. The mix, inside the plastic packaging, inside the cardboard packaging.

One somebody quits smoking, they are generally embarrassed by how badly they smelled and didn't realize it. Their cars, their hair, their clothes, their house.
 
Hatuey said:
People who think the ban on indoor smoking is due to health reasons/oppression of "legal activities", have no idea what they're talking about. Say a smoker leaves a cigarette lit somewhere in the bar, forgets about it and it starts a fire. What happens if the insurance company finds out? Guess who's **** out of luck? The owner. It has nothing to do with health concerns. It has to do with the fact that it's not covered by a large percentage of insurance companies so owners want to avoid drunk smokers like the plague.
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Meh, I don't think I'm buying that. I've never heard that there was a huge problem with smoker starting fires in restaurants. I'm pretty sure it's because of employees contracting some kind of lung disease from second-hand smoke exposure.

http://publichealthlawcenter.org/sites/default/files/resources/tclc-syn-disabilities-2004.pdf

There is no safe level of exposure to secondhand tobacco smoke, according to the United States Environmental Protection Agency, the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, the American Lung Association, the American Cancer Society, the World Health Organization and other leading public health and medical organizations.

Secondhand smoke is the third leading preventable cause of death in the United States. For millions of Americans, secondhand smoke has the potential to cause immediate, life-threatening asthmatic attacks. The federal Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), which took effect in 1992, was adopted to provide a comprehensive national mandate to eliminate discrimination against people with disabilities. The ADA may be used to protect people with asthma and others whose daily activities are substantially limited by secondhand smoke exposure in private and public
workplaces with fifteen or more employees (Title I); while accessing the services of, or participating in, state and local government (Title II); and in places of public accommodation (Title III)
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Carjosse said:
Well cigarette smoke contains many dangerous chemicals where as marijuana does not.
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Neither do a lot of "smoke" cigarette smokes like to make comparisons to. Charcoal, logs in a fireplace, bond fires and camp-outs, birthday candles. Its hilarious to hear them make comparisons.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It seems that, for many, personal choice is limited to things that they like. SSM proponents are often for bans/restrictions for smoking and gun rights. Abortion ban folks are often pro gun. Ironies abound when true individual freedom is concerned.
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A very good point.
 
Ikari said:
It's not the cleanest form of energy and causes a certain amount of global pollution, more so than gas. But till we invest in nuclear energy, we'll have to keep our dirty energy.
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I'm not sure if coal creates less pollution than gas but I agree, both are pollutants. You hear of smoke warnings (caused by gas) in Los Angeles but I live about 5 miles from a coal burning power plant and its clear skies and fresh air where I live.

The increased interest in electric cars is also creating a push for cleaner energy production. Telsa Motors is pretty public about eventually developing carports and garage roofs make out of solar cells for home car recharging.
 
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