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    Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

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    Military Sexual Assault Bill Could Remove Chain Of Command From Legal Process | Texas Public Radio

    Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-New York, filed the bill to change the way the military investigates sexual assault. The bill removes commanders from the decisions on whether sexual assault cases should be investigated and prosecuted. The companion legislation did not make it to committee in the House.
    Congresswoman Jackie Speier, D-San Francisco, who visited Lackland at the height of the sexual assault investigation, said of the 60-plus victims of sexual assault, the number reporting to their commanders was zero.
    "The only way this has ever seen the light of day was when two MTIs (military training instructors) had had enough and took it to the chain of command and the chain of command said, 'You know, he's such a good guy, that couldn't possibly be true.' And was about to dismiss it. It wasn't until a third MTI went out of the chain of command to the chaplain and reported it. Then they thought, 'Well, maybe we should look into this.'" Speier said.
    Chuck Parrish of Protect Our Defenders, a non-profit organization formed to advocate for military sexual assault victims who feared reprisal for reporting sex crimes, said 26,000 service members are attacked every year at a rate that is five times that of civilian offenses.
    Parrish said he believes Congress must intervene and mandate a professional, unbiased justice system in the military.

    I say yes.There should be an unbiased 3rd party that could care less about the alleged victim's and alleged assailant's rank that investigates these cases. I would also like to see it apply to other crimes too. I do not know if these numbers of alleged unreported sexual assault cases are true or if its just some attempt to smear the miltiary.I do not care. I do know that when I was in the Army a person integrity or credibility was based on rank.Basically the soldier with higher rank was believed more than the lower ranking soldier.
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Great question. At this point I would say the chain of command should be removed from sexual assault cases. It clearly is not working now.










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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    But doesnt that remove the Commander from responsiblity? There is (or at least used to be) a block on the form the results of the courts-martial was typed out on, that the service members CO could set the whole thing aside. I think that is all they are trying to take away from the CO, but I am not sure about this. I dont think changing the chain of command is gonna help.
    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Great question. At this point I would say the chain of command should be removed from sexual assault cases. It clearly is not working now.
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    It seems to me that there is a general argument against a whole military legal system running in parallel to the civil one. The military (and society in general) has change massively since that concept was introduced and I'm not convinced there is any good reason why alleged crimes within the military shouldn't be treated in the same way as alleged crimes in any other place of work.

    I fear the military justice system isn't focused on protecting individual victims of crime but is in fact focused on protecting the military and it's public image.

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    You can go to the brig for putting your hand in your pocket. I dont think civilians are ready for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    It seems to me that there is a general argument against a whole military legal system running in parallel to the civil one. The military (and society in general) has change massively since that concept was introduced and I'm not convinced there is any good reason why alleged crimes within the military shouldn't be treated in the same way as alleged crimes in any other place of work.

    I fear the military justice system isn't focused on protecting individual victims of crime but is in fact focused on protecting the military and it's public image.
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Serious question, because I really don't know the answer ...

    Let's say one serviceman kills another intentionally. Does that get removed from the chain of command?
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    You can go to the brig for putting your hand in your pocket. I dont think civilians are ready for that.
    You'd know better than those who didn't serve ... yes, you can be arbitrarily punished in the military for stupid ****. We know that.

    However, in heinous crimes like sexual assault, should that be turned over to local authorities, and why or why not? Asking seriously, because I only have tertiary knowledge of the culture of the military, but it seems to me that certain crimes transcend the UCMJ.
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    In general I think it's a bad idea for organizations to regulate themselves. It generally leads to some kind of abuse of the system.

    So yes, I think a neutral third party should investigate military sexual assault charges.
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    No. He would probably stand a General Courts-Martial, conducted by hte CG.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Serious question, because I really don't know the answer ...

    Let's say one serviceman kills another intentionally. Does that get removed from the chain of command?
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Without question the military chain of command should be removed from these cases .. immediately.

    They have consistently demonstrated themselves to be nothing more than the old boy's club rather than an honest and fair form of judgement and review.

    More American soldiers kill themselves than die in combat, and its time this government took the lives of soldiers more seriously than they do.
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