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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    IOW, you admit that it's highly possible that soldiers could recieve an unfair trial?
    Just as likely as it is now.
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    Huh?

    Someone's son should know that sexual assault is a crime and his or HER uniform does not make it legal.

    Men and women are both perpetrators and victims of sexual assault in the military.


    That was from me several posts ago.

    and NO, I do not believe that every case of assault is legit, never stated it, never implied it.
    False reports are up 35%, making 17% of sexual assault accusations bogus, after a 4% rise in sexual assault cases.

    False reports outpace sex assaults in the military - Washington Times

    Sounds like soneone's daughters need to learn that false reporting a crime, is a crime, too.

    Looks to me that people are getting their panties in a knot for nothing.
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Someone who is itching to put a soldier in jail, is going to admit to that during the jury selection?
    It's a problem with the jury system period. There isn't anything you can do about it other than try to weed out people who might be biased. Why should soldiers be treated differently?

    fwiw, I don't know how I feel about military on military crime. I tend to think that should be handled strictly within the military and can be done fairly but I haven't made up my mind. I just find the argument that an impartial civilian jury cannot be empanelled to be non persuasive.
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    IOW, you admit that it's highly possible that soldiers could recieve an unfair trial?
    No moreso than anyone else.

    To the OP, there are definitely too many situations where an allegation is killed by the chain of command, rather than getting a full investigation. That should not be allowed. The only person who should have the authority to dismiss a case is a judge.
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    No moreso than anyone else.

    To the OP, there are definitely too many situations where an allegation is killed by the chain of command, rather than getting a full investigation. That should not be allowed. The only person who should have the authority to dismiss a case is a judge.
    Do you have evidence of that?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Not only yes, but HELL YES!!!

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Is all of this liberal social engineering of the military really worth all the troubles it has caused ?

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    You talking about letting women in the Service?
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    Is all of this liberal social engineering of the military really worth all the troubles it has caused ?
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    You talking about letting women in the Service?
    They are already serving.

    They have been serving continuously since WW ll. But when they started opening up MOS's and ratings to women that were always traditionally been held by men, it's been nothing but one trouble after another.

    The social engineering activist NEVER take the time to think what will be the consequences of their experiments ? How many soldiers, Marines, sailors, airmen will bleed, die, get raped, etc. in the name of political correctness ?

    You can't have the civilian courts getting involved with the military's judicial system. It will become a slippery slope.

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    So, you want to use a civilian court to cover a criminal case that does not have any jurisdiction in the area where the crime was committed...

    Any crime that is committed "in town" is already being prosecuted by the local authorities, for the most part.
    When it happens on post (federal property) on ship (federal property) or overseas (federal jurisdiction through SOFA) then it is tried through the UCMJ.
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