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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

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    Having been a guy that had to deal with this from a leadership standpoint... I personally feel that the military chain of command involvement in a crime investigation that happens off post, in the US, and is covered by civilian law, is out of place in the 21st century. I have seen it first hand that this was the case. But, not always.

    On post, in another country, aboard ship, etc... Then the UCMJ and the Chain of Command should (and are) the only ones involved.
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    If I recall correctly, enlisted people can serve on a Special Courts-Martial, I am not sure about General CM.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Number one, enlisted soldiers can't serve on a courts martial, so regular folks don't serve on juries.

    Number three, it depends on where the crime took place.
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    That's what lawyers and jury selection are for. It's a general problem with any jury and doesn't seem to me to be a good reason to only try servicemembers in military courts.
    Someone who is itching to put a soldier in jail, is going to admit to that during the jury selection?
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How do you keep haters off the jury? People who are biased ahainst our servicemen and can't wait to put a baby killer in jail?
    Oh for god's sake...

    How do you keep women haters off the jury? Or any other person off the jury...
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    If I recall correctly, enlisted people can serve on a Special Courts-Martial, I am not sure about General CM.
    The defendent can request that and at least one third of the jury has to be made up of enlisted men.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Just checkin...
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The defendent can request that and at least one third of the jury has to be made up of enlisted men.
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Oh for god's sake...

    How do you keep women haters off the jury? Or any other person off the jury...
    IOW, you admit that it's highly possible that soldiers could recieve an unfair trial?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There are a lot of soldiers that find out that sexual assault is a crime, so I don't know what you're so uptight about.
    Who is uptight dude?

    Is opinion scary to you?

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    Who is uptight dude?

    Is opinion scary to you?
    Frankly, yes...it is.

    It appears you believe two things 1) all sexual assaults in the service are male on female and 2) every sexual assault is legit and the accused soldier is guilty.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Frankly, yes...it is.

    It appears you believe two things 1) all sexual assaults in the service are male on female and 2) every sexual assault is legit and the accused soldier is guilty.
    Huh?

    Someone's son should know that sexual assault is a crime and his or HER uniform does not make it legal.

    Men and women are both perpetrators and victims of sexual assault in the military.


    That was from me several posts ago.

    and NO, I do not believe that every case of assault is legit, never stated it, never implied it.

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