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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

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    I say yes.There should be an unbiased 3rd party that could care less about the alleged victim's and alleged assailant's rank that investigates these cases. I would also like to see it apply to other crimes too. I do not know if these numbers of alleged unreported sexual assault cases are true or if its just some attempt to smear the miltiary.I do not care. I do know that when I was in the Army a person integrity or credibility was based on rank.Basically the soldier with higher rank was believed more than the lower ranking soldier.
    It is a good question. I tend to think that eliminating the chain of command would be inappropriate, but things are not working as is, which means some change is needed. Instead of eliminating the chain of command, supplement their tools and add oversite. I do not know enough about how sexual harassment assault cases are handled now nor really how any serious case is handled in the military since we only had one case like that and I had bigger things going on at the time. So I am kinda unsure exactly how it could be done. Possibly maybe each sexual assault charge gets an outside observer/adviser who works with the command?
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Excuse me, you certianly can.
    Under what regulation? Becaise violations of the uniform regulation--in the Army AR670-1--isn't a court martial offense.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is a good question. I tend to think that eliminating the chain of command would be inappropriate, but things are not working as is, which means some change is needed. Instead of eliminating the chain of command, supplement their tools and add oversite. I do not know enough about how sexual harassment assault cases are handled now nor really how any serious case is handled in the military since we only had one case like that and I had bigger things going on at the time. So I am kinda unsure exactly how it could be done. Possibly maybe each sexual assault charge gets an outside observer/adviser who works with the command?
    Who rules the roost? The commander, or the observer? How do you keep activists from becoming observers?

    The biggest question: who has to deal with a breakdown in discipline and morale should their be a rash of wrongful convictions.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    I did not say a word about the Army. In the Marine Corps if you stick your hands in your pockets you are out of uniform. If you are out of uniform you can get NJP and thrown in CC or the Brig for a certain period of days (3 I think). A certain PFC Joe S. I knew real well got thrown in the brig on Friday night and they kept him until Monday AM when someone from our command had to go get him. He had both hands in his pockets.
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    Under what regulation? Becaise violations of the uniform regulation--in the Army AR670-1--isn't a court martial offense.
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    If Joe had gotten busted for the same thing again before the NJP I gurantee he would have gotten at least a Summary CM.
    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I did not say a word about the Army. In the Marine Corps if you stick your hands in your pockets you are out of uniform. If you are out of uniform you can get NJP and thrown in CC or the Brig for a certain period of days (3 I think). A certain PFC Joe S. I knew real well got thrown in the brig on Friday night and they kept him until Monday AM when someone from our command had to go get him. He had both hands in his pockets.
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's a soldier's right to be judged by a jury of his peers. There's no way a civilian jury can meet that requirement.

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    How does the military suicide rate and the civilian suicide rate compare for teh same demographic? I really dont know but a while back someone brought that up and I never remember reading the comparison.
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who rules the roost? The commander, or the observer? How do you keep activists from becoming observers?
    I would think the commander would be in charge. The observer would be there to offer advice in the investigation and handling of the situation, trying to ensure consistent good practices.

    The biggest question: who has to deal with a breakdown in discipline and morale should their be a rash of wrongful convictions.
    That is an interesting non sequitur. The goal is to make things more consistent and properly handled.
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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I did not say a word about the Army. In the Marine Corps if you stick your hands in your pockets you are out of uniform. If you are out of uniform you can get NJP and thrown in CC or the Brig for a certain period of days (3 I think). A certain PFC Joe S. I knew real well got thrown in the brig on Friday night and they kept him until Monday AM when someone from our command had to go get him. He had both hands in his pockets.
    The UCMJ covers all branches. Uniform violations aren't a court martial offense.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Why do you keep saying Courts-Martial. The example I cited was a PFC in my unit had his hands in his pockets. It was Friday and the held him in the Brig until Monday AM. And in the Marine Corps in 1980's it was a violation of a written order and you most certainly could stand Courts Martial for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The UCMJ covers all branches. Uniform violations aren't a court martial offense.
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