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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    that's when the NCIS come into play.
    I confess, I did it, I let the dogs out.

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Great question. At this point I would say the chain of command should be removed from sexual assault cases. It clearly is not working now.
    You will remove all responsibility to react to and prevent sexual harassment.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    You can go to the brig for putting your hand in your pocket. I dont think civilians are ready for that.
    No you can't!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You'd know better than those who didn't serve ... yes, you can be arbitrarily punished in the military for stupid ****. We know that.

    However, in heinous crimes like sexual assault, should that be turned over to local authorities, and why or why not? Asking seriously, because I only have tertiary knowledge of the culture of the military, but it seems to me that certain crimes transcend the UCMJ.

    No, you can't be arbitrarily punished, under the UCMJ. Let's don't get carried away.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    Without question the military chain of command should be removed from these cases .. immediately.

    They have consistently demonstrated themselves to be nothing more than the old boy's club rather than an honest and fair form of judgement and review.

    More American soldiers kill themselves than die in combat, and its time this government took the lives of soldiers more seriously than they do.
    It's a soldier's right to be judged by a jury of his peers. There's no way a civilian jury can meet that requirement.

    It's untrue that more soldiers commit suicide than die on the battlefield.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You will remove all responsibility to react to and prevent sexual harassment.
    I don't see how. Superiors and managers in any other field don't loose that responsibility just because they're not involved in any legal process. In fact the allegation is the opposite, that senior officers are singularly failing to do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's a soldier's right to be judged by a jury of his peers. There's no way a civilian jury can meet that requirement.
    Rubbish. There is nothing special about soldiers that make them any different to anyone else in regards to a "jury of our peers". They certainly do a difficult and dangerous job but they're hardly alone in that. I could see an argument for incidents actually in theatre but there is absolutely no reason why "domestic" accusations like this shouldn't be dealt with by conventional legal authorities.

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I don't see how. Superiors and managers in any other field don't loose that responsibility just because they're not involved in any legal process. In fact the allegation is the opposite, that senior officers are singularly failing to do that.

    Rubbish. There is nothing special about soldiers that make them any different to anyone else in regards to a "jury of our peers". They certainly do a difficult and dangerous job but they're hardly alone in that. I could see an argument for incidents actually in theatre but there is absolutely no reason why "domestic" accusations like this shouldn't be dealt with by conventional legal authorities.
    It's not Rubbish. It's the Constitution. It's unconstitutional to try a soldier in a civilian court for a violation that falls under the UCMJ.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's not Rubbish. It's the Constitution. It's unconstitutional to try a soldier in a civilian court for a violation that falls under the UCMJ.
    It's rubbish that there is anything generally specially about soldiers (and other members of the military) that means a civilian jury is incapable of giving them a fair trial.

    The Constitution gives the US Federal government the authority to regulate the armed forces but I see no reason why they couldn't delegate that in most cases, to civilian authorities. There is certainly no moral or practical reason they couldn't - just because something is in the constitutional doesn't automatically mean it's right.

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    It's rubbish that there is anything generally specially about soldiers (and other members of the military) that means a civilian jury is incapable of giving them a fair trial.

    The Constitution gives the US Federal government the authority to regulate the armed forces but I see no reason why they couldn't delegate that in most cases, to civilian authorities. There is certainly no moral or practical reason they couldn't - just because something is in the constitutional doesn't automatically mean it's right.
    A civilian doesn't know enough about military customs, traditions or circumstances to give a serviceman a fair trial. That's why the framers left military justice to the military.

    Most civilians don't know anything about the UCMJ. You would have to send to school to learn it, before the trial started and if you do that, then it makes more sense to let servicemembers make up the jury.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Should we remove military chain of command from military sexual assault cases?

    Excuse me, you certianly can.
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    No you can't!
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