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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Yet banging, which the only witness says it was, can sound like someone is trying to break-in. So it wouldn't be a strike.
    That'd only pass if the thief was woefully inept which, although fully in the realm of possible, is probably not a fair assumption.

    Of course, wasn't she coked and/or liquored up at the time of the incident? I forgot if they did toxicology. If so, that probably helps him out.

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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    That'd only pass if the thief was woefully inept which, although fully in the realm of possible, is probably not a fair assumption.

    Of course, wasn't she coked and/or liquored up at the time of the incident? I forgot if they did toxicology. If so, that probably helps him out.
    Yes, she was pretty plowed.. 3times the legal limit IIRC. This may play in the defendant's favor, I agree.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I didn't catch the sarcasm. And to your suggestion that it's presumptuous... WHY? It's f'ing 2am and I'm going to answer a door or open a door to a stranger when I live alone and all the neighbor houses are either dark or too far away to know, and I'm going to be STUPID enough to do that without calling 911....sorry but that's just plain stupid, unless I'm a 6ft+ 220lb+ well trained in some form of defense person. Iirc, the man was elderly and the impression is given that he was frail-ish, though I'm not sure where I have that opinion from.
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    Seems like he was protected enough. Having rippling pecs and a six-pack for abs doesn't really defend against a gunshot.

    In the end, it's going to come down to who sounds more believable - and there are two defining aspects of the case. The first is that he was home on his property. The second is that dead men (or girls, in this case) tell no tales.

    I can easily see this going the way of Trayvon, where the state just cannot prove their case.

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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    God made men. Samuel Colt made them equal. Seems like he was protected enough. Having rippling pecs and a six-pack for abs doesn't really defend against a gunshot. In the end, it's going to come down to who sounds more believable - and there are two defining aspects of the case. The first is that he was home on his property. The second is that dead men (or girls, in this case) tell no tales. I can easily see this going the way of Trayvon, where the state just cannot prove their case.
    Really!!!! You discourage me, then, if you see similarities between shooting an unarmed woman through a locked door, purposefully or accidentally, and a shot during a known struggle.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
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    Maybe I didn't read enough of your post(s), but it almost seems like you were manufacturing a motive by trying to read his mind and, therefore, his intentions. It's part of that liberal curse - where you use emotion instead of evidence or rationale. I don't hold it against you.

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    I have no idea what his "intentions" were and I don't believe there is a way to know such a thing.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    That'd only pass if the thief was woefully inept which, although fully in the realm of possible, is probably not a fair assumption.
    Thieves are not always quite.
    They break in doors and shatter windows to gain access all the time.
    That isn't being quite.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Of course, wasn't she coked and/or liquored up at the time of the incident? I forgot if they did toxicology. If so, that probably helps him out.
    Her being over two times the legal limit hours after her accident would just go to any claim made by him that she was banging instead of knocking.

    Unless other evidence comes out, that is what we have, and most likely what it would be applied to.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I didn't catch the sarcasm. And to your suggestion that it's presumptuous... WHY? It's f'ing 2am and I'm going to answer a door or open a door to a stranger when I live alone and all the neighbor houses are either dark or too far away to know, and I'm going to be STUPID enough to do that without calling 911....sorry but that's just plain stupid, unless I'm a 6ft+ 220lb+ well trained in some form of defense person. Iirc, the man was elderly and the impression is given that he was frail-ish, though I'm not sure where I have that opinion from.
    I think he is 54. I wouldn't call that elderly.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I think he is 54. I wouldn't call that elderly.
    Okay, thanks for that. As I was typing it occurred to me I didn't know why I had that impression, hence the disclaimer. Evenso, if he felt unsure enough that he had a gun in his hand, he has the obligation to utilize other safety avenues before opening the door and pointing a gun in someone's face, making purposeful or accidental discharge likely to be deadly.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Really!!!! You discourage me, then, if you see similarities between shooting an unarmed woman through a locked door, purposefully or accidentally, and a shot during a known struggle.
    Martin was unarmed, last I checked. Also, we don't know if there was a proper "struggle". In Zimmerman and Martin, we had two able-bodied males that are more than capable of defending themselves and inflicting harm upon others. Here, we're talking about a weak old man and a drunk chick. Be it slugfest or slapfight, it's still a struggle.

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    You might be a little guilty of bias my friend. No worries, I still love you.

    I have no idea what his "intentions" were and I don't believe there is a way to know such a thing.
    Aww. <3

    I'm not biased though. I have no dog in this hunt. I just see what I see. It's the same reasoning behind my standpoint during GZ/TM the whole time. Zimmerman was wrong. Martin was wrong. I think Zimmerman had ulterior motives. And in the end, Zimmerman will walk. He walked. Of course, anyone with a shred of legal knowledge saw him getting off a mile away. It wasn't a shock to anyone who followed the case and watched Law and Order once a week.

    This case isn't a whole lot different, other than - in this case - you actually could argue a limited detail of Castle Doctrine. The defense is going to poke enough holes into the case to get him to walk (witnesses hearing loud knocking at an ungodly hour, victim's tox screen, location of the incident, etc.).

    I think race played some role in this (whether he just plain didn't like black people or just made an assumption about a black person on his doorstep in the middle of the night), but that alone isn't enough to convict.

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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Okay, thanks for that. As I was typing it occurred to me I didn't know why I had that impression, hence the disclaimer. Evenso, if he felt unsure enough that he had a gun in his hand, he has the obligation to utilize other safety avenues before opening the door and pointing a gun in someone's face, making purposeful or accidental discharge likely to be deadly.
    There you go assuming again.
    He had no such obligations investigating a possible or attempted break-in of his home.
    And you have no idea if he actually pointed it (a deliberate act) in her face or not.
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