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Thread: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not? [W:44:185]

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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    In my opinion murder 2 (no plea) seems appropriate unless something comes out shows this girl was in some way a threat.
    Currently i do think murder two is a tough order

    but i guess with the perfect push and depending on what Michigan law actually says definition 2 below could be possible.

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    Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as: 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion"; or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life. Second-degree murder may best be viewed as the middle ground between first-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life
    TO me this case is this to the letter.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    TO me this case is this to the letter.
    1.) That isn't Michigan Law you are quoting.
    2.) He was in a situation where he thought someone was trying to break in when the firearm accidentally discharged.
    Bringing a firearm to protect yourself is not having a lack of concern for human life, nor is an accidental discharge.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Unless something fairly compelling comes out, He will plea to Manslaughter, everything else will be dropped.
    The weapons charge is garbage and is a typical "throw everything out there and hope something sticks"
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    TO me this case is this to the letter.
    and this might be what they try to sell but for me until we know more

    "dangerous conduct"
    "obvious lack of concern for human life"

    those things make it hard for me to say its a lock, gotta remember innocent until guilty and so far i dont see the "obvious" lack of concern. and im not sure about the exact wording in mich.

    but what will play a large role in that is one fact "he shot through the door" and the rest total speculation

    since day one theres been some buzz about the body being moved and about when 911 was actually called after the shooting. That could play into it easy. But again none of that may be true.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Don't know enough specifics.
    Voted other, and meant this.

    FFS I'm tired of the constant trend these days, of convicting someone in the court of public opinion days, months, even years before they actually stand trial.

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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    OK, so what do you want to talk about on internet forums?
    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Voted other, and meant this.

    FFS I'm tired of the constant trend these days, of convicting someone in the court of public opinion days, months, even years before they actually stand trial.

    Stop.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Until more information about her actions is released, I'm going with innocent.
    She was drunk and stoned
    and all she did was knock on the door and wait for someone to answer? To much effort is being expended to make her look like a victim and not enough explaining what really went on.



    Since when does someone being drunk and/or stoned constitute a valid excuse to shoot and kill them?

    Maybe you could fill us in on that.

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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    "did not need to"? I guess that depends on your view. My view is that just the fact there is an 85% or greater chance she was a obama supporting liberal more than justifies it. If she was acting weird, which she was drunk and stoned, then I can see the old man being a bit edgy.

    Personally, if he is a union supporting liberal, then burn him to the max and make it a twofer, if he ain't, give him a medal for helping clean up and improve America.



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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Since when does someone being drunk and/or stoned constitute a valid excuse to shoot and kill them?

    Maybe you could fill us in on that.
    it doesnt one bit what so ever unless theres a whole bunch we dont know, but knowing that alone is meaningless with out evidence of anything else, right not its as relevant as whether her ears were pierced or not.
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