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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I lived in Michigan for the overwhelming majority of my life. I've been to Detroit numerous times. Impromptu violence is a distinct possibility there. When there is an obviously intoxicated person (regardless of race) causing raucus on your front door, the element is there. As much as you don't want to believe this and I don't want to "go there", the fact that she is a minority does increase the potential - statistically speaking. In this scenario, it is in the spirit of self-interest that you assume the worst and hope to be pleasantly surprised. Thirty years before, every 12 year old had a cell phone. Now, the concept of an adult not having one that they can use in times of emergency borders on the ludicrous. Now, we can dismiss this as a string of coincidences - bad accident, no functioning cell, occurring in a "white neighborhood"...but you also cannot dismiss the potentially nefarious side of things.

    Let's face it - she's going to lose in the court of public opinion, outside of a radical militant black sect.
    since the claim is the gun went off on accident none of that made up story matters without more factual evidence.

    also what factual evidence is there that she was obviously intoxicated and causing a raucous on the front door?

    Yes she was in fact drunk but im asking what facts do we have that says it played a role or that the homeowner knew and recognized this?
    and what activity are you calling a raucous and what evidence do we have of that?

    and no her accident and non-functioning cell phone cant be dismissed, those are facts

    and as far as i can tell she is doing well in court of public opinion, heck look at the poll and threads here. Its a small group compared to the US but the majority seem to think the homeowner is guilty of something "CURRENTLY" and they are not radical militant blacks
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    a very good but long article that talks about laws and facts and the vast majoirty lines up with what i have been stating the whole time

    Renisha McBride | Theodore Wafer | Weak Self-defense Claim

    seems any claim of self defense is going to be very weak based on what we currently know and that the accident claim mostly renders self defense meaningless, it would have to be very rare circumstances.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    a very good but long article that talks about laws and facts and the vast majoirty lines up with what i have been stating the whole time

    Renisha McBride | Theodore Wafer | Weak Self-defense Claim

    seems any claim of self defense is going to be very weak based on what we currently know and that the accident claim mostly renders self defense meaningless, it would have to be very rare circumstances.
    just some more updates

    this is definitely going to trail

    and some testing of the gun deemed its in working order and it couldnt have had a misfire

    Man who shot unarmed woman on porch will stand trial for murder - National | Globalnews.ca
    Witness: Renisha McBride less than 2 feet from gun blast in Dearborn Heights | Detroit Free Press | freep.com
    Renisha McBride's shooter to stand trial for second degree murder | MSNBC
    http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/201...urder-hearing/
    DEARBORN HEIGHTS: First witnesses called to stand in Renisha McBride shooting death (UPDATED) - News - Press and Guide
    Preliminary hearing on Renisha McBride porch shooting

    seems thighs are only getting worse for theodore
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I lived in Michigan for the overwhelming majority of my life. I've been to Detroit numerous times. Impromptu violence is a distinct possibility there. When there is an obviously intoxicated person (regardless of race) causing raucus on your front door, the element is there. As much as you don't want to believe this and I don't want to "go there", the fact that she is a minority does increase the potential - statistically speaking. In this scenario, it is in the spirit of self-interest that you assume the worst and hope to be pleasantly surprised. Thirty years before, every 12 year old had a cell phone. Now, the concept of an adult not having one that they can use in times of emergency borders on the ludicrous. Now, we can dismiss this as a string of coincidences - bad accident, no functioning cell, occurring in a "white neighborhood"...but you also cannot dismiss the potentially nefarious side of things.

    Let's face it - she's going to lose in the court of public opinion, outside of a radical militant black sect.
    Let's face it- none of your story holds a drop of water, outside the radical militant white sect.

    You're making 'facts' up about the phone and any reaction to 'impromptu violence'. IF poor much downtrodden white folks were under such stress from minorities and someone 'obviously' intoxicated is causing a ruckus on your porch at OH dark 30 then why in THE hell would you open the wooden door and rely on a screen door to stop an assault???

    You're also ignoring the defendant's statement the shotgun went off by accident. Firearms going off by accident are a completely separate circumstance from being 'statistically' in fear of bodily harm. Spin this as much as you can, but the real facts, not the massaged ones you try and use, are strong evidence against Mr. Wafer.

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