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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    In my opinion murder 2 (no plea) seems appropriate unless something comes out shows this girl was in some way a threat.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    In my opinion murder 2 (no plea) seems appropriate unless something comes out shows this girl was in some way a threat.
    Murder 2 is a stretch.

    By his own words he is guilty of manslaughter.

    THE MICHIGAN PENAL CODE (EXCERPT)
    Act 328 of 1931



    750.329 Discharging firearm pointed or aimed at another person resulting in death; manslaughter; exception; "peace officer" defined.

    Sec. 329.

    (1) A person who wounds, maims, or injures another person by discharging a firearm that is pointed or aimed intentionally but without malice at another person is guilty of manslaughter if the wounds, maiming, or injuries result in death.

    (2) This section does not apply to a peace officer of this state or another state, or of a local unit of government of this state or another state, or of the United States, performing his or her duties as a peace officer. As used in this section, "peace officer" means that term as defined in section 215.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Murder 2 is a stretch.
    Why? He shot someone in the face with a shotgun who by what we know so far was not a threat. What about that is not murder?
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Why? He shot someone in the face with a shotgun who by what we know so far was not a threat. What about that is not murder?
    What do you mean why?

    See edit.

    Nor did she have to be an actual threat.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    In the shooting death of Renisha McBride there are 3 charges levied against Theodore

    Murder 2
    Manslaughter
    possession of a firearm during commission of a felony

    which charges, if any, do you think he will be found guilty of going off what we currently know.

    For more info here is a list of articles followed by a current facts list
    Michigan homeowner charged in porch shooting death of 19-year-old woman | Fox News
    Parents of woman killed in Detroit-area porch shooting can't imagine threat her daughter posed | Fox News
    Michigan man charged with second-degree murder in Renisha McBride shooting | MSNBC
    Parents of Renisha McBride on charges: 'I hope he spends the rest of his life in jail' - U.S. News
    Detroit-area man charged with murder in woman's porch death - CNN.com
    Renisha McBride's Alleged Shooter to Be Charged With Murder - ABC News
    Homeowner charged in Michigan porch shooting - Washington Times
    Theodore Wafer charged in death of Renisha McBride outside Detroit - The Washington Post
    Homeowner charged for shooting woman who sought help | New York Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/16/us...des-death.html
    Detroit-area man charged in killing woman on his porch
    Theodore Paul Wafer Charged in Renisha McBride Shooting Death | TIME.com
    White Detroit-area man charged with murder of black woman | Reuters


    FACT LIST

    -car wreck a little before 1am
    -cell phone was dead
    -911 was called to report accident by passer by/ neighbor
    -People stopped to help driver
    -driver is a 19yr old woman 5'4"
    -driver was disoriented and bloody
    -driver left scene
    -driver returned to scene, 911 was called again to report this about 1:25
    -cops and EMS show up to scene about 1:42, driver is gone
    -driver left scene
    -County prosecutor statement says the evidence shows driver knocked on locked screen door about a mile away and there is no evidence of forced entry
    -home owner opened interior door
    -home owner is 54yr old man, over 6ft and 200lbs
    -driver was shot in the face through locked screen door
    -911 was called to report shooting by home owner, home owner claims the following:
    "Uh yes... I just shot somebody on my front porch with a shotgun, banging on my door." Wafer gives his address and ends the call by saying "thank you" and hanging up without giving city, even as ---police dispatch continued.
    -911 dispatched police
    -911 called homeowner back and he confirmed he shot someone he didnt know on his porch
    -police arrive find driver on porch with large hole in face

    autopsy confirms homicide and shot in face at a distance
    toxicology reveals drinking and weed in driver

    Murder 2 charges have been filed along with man slaughter and possession of a firearm during the attempted commission of a felony or commission of a felony.

    anything else feel free to add with links

    also any further audio of the 911 claims please post the official audio or transcript and ill gladly add them

    more specifically the call back if anybody has found it.



    In my opinion i think M2 is just for show its to help plea to a manslaughter charge.

    Now based on whats above, i think manslaughter seems like a lock but until the trial more info we wont know.
    for now im going with manslaughter and the gun charge.



    Sounds like a good call to me based on what we know now.

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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Murder 2 won't happen. Man 1 seems most appropriate. Perhaps a plead to IM, although I thought Zimmerman should've pled to IM instead of going to trial - and he got off.

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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Manslaughter if he's contrite and co-operative. Murder otherwise, no plea bargain.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Murder 2 won't happen. Man 1 seems most appropriate. Perhaps a plead to IM, although I thought Zimmerman should've pled to IM instead of going to trial - and he got off.
    There is no man1 in Michigan.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    There is no man1 in Michigan.
    No manslaughter at all, or no degrees of it?

    In my 29 years in Michigan, I was never arrested. I'm not intimately familiar.

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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    No manslaughter at all, or no degrees of it?
    I wouldn't have said he was guilty of Manslaughter if there was no manslaughter.
    Manslaughter by law. Section 750.321
    (voluntary or involuntary) By jury instruction with a finding of, by the jury, or Judge if a Bench Trial.
    Last edited by Excon; 11-22-13 at 05:19 PM.
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