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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not? [W:44]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    please STAY ON TOPIC, am i not the topic and post any evidence factually proving her words are lies, come from the family or are not hers and they come from a reporter.
    The fact that the information you have provided is false, is on-topic, so stop baiting with this bs.

    So, as established and proven, these are the Prosecutors words ...

    "It's alleged she was shot to death by the home owner after she knocked on his locked front screen door."
    (Actual words stated in the Press Conference.)


    Not what is falsely quoted in the following.
    (A reporters interpretation of the above statement as reported coming from the Press Conference.)
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    Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy "evidence showed McBride, of Detroit, knocked on the locked screen door of Wafer’s home and that there was no evidence of forced entry."
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not? [W:44]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    The fact that the information you have provided is false, is on-topic, so stop baiting with this bs.

    So, as established and proven, these are the Prosecutors words ...

    "It's alleged she was shot to death by the home owner after she knocked on his locked front screen door."
    (Actual words stated in the Press Conference.)


    Not what is falsely quoted in the following.
    (A reporters interpretation of the above statement as reported coming from the Press Conference.)
    please STAY ON TOPIC, am i not the topic and post any evidence factually proving her words are lies, come from the family or are not hers and they come from a reporter interpretation.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not? [W:44]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    FFS stop repeating that you have already proven the other guy wrong and re-prove it.

    You can't both be wrong, so one of you will be proven wrong by that action.

    And it will save the rest of us from this pointless back-and-forth.
    By all means, you be the judge.

    All information has been provided in post #149.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1062585309
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not? [W:44]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    please STAY ON TOPIC, am i not the topic and post any evidence factually proving her words are lies, come from the family or are not hers and they come from a reporter interpretation.
    It has already been done. You still haven't backed up what you assert.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not? [W:44]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    please STAY ON TOPIC, am i not the topic and post any evidence factually proving her words are lies, come from the family or are not hers and they come from a reporter.
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    And was shown to be false.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not? [W:44]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    1.)It has already been done. You still haven't backed up what you assert.
    This claim has been made but facts, links and quotes prove it wrong

    These are direct quotes from the Wyane COunty prosocuter, NOT any reporters interpretations which is a false claim
    all of these have come from links and quotes mentioned during this thread and others


    "evidence showed McBride, of Detroit, knocked on the locked screen door of Wafer’s home and that there was no evidence of forced entry."

    " Evidence suggests that Wafer opened the front (interior) door before he fired through the closed and locked screen door"

    “Under Michigan law, there is no duty to retreat in your own home. However, someone who claims self-defense must honestly and reasonably believe that he is in imminent danger of either losing his life or suffering great bodily harm, and that the use of deadly force is necessary to prevent that harm,”

    “This ‘reasonable belief,’ is not measured subjectively by the standards of the individual in question, but objectively, by the standards of a reasonable person.”

    “we have examined everything and after examining everything these are the appropriate charges and he did not act in lawful self-defense,”

    "We dont feel its relevant to our charges at all in this case" (talking about the driver being intoxicated)

    "Race was not a factor in her decision to bring charges against Theodore Wafer for the death of Renisha McBride"

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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not? [W:44]

    If this goes to court, unless she has an actual eyewitness to knocking, she only has evidence of her touching the door. Not how it was touched.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not? [W:44]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    By all means, you be the judge.

    All information has been provided in post #149.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1062585309
    In the video (which you linked here), she (The prosecutor, Worthy) makes several statements that seem relevant to the discussion at hand:

    The first, which you quote, @~1:01 in the video: "It's alleged that she was shot to death by the homeowner after she knocked on his locked front screen door".
    The second, @~ 1:08 in the video: "By all reports, she was unarmed, and there were no signs of forced entry to the home".
    The third, @~1:59 in the video: "We obviously do not feel that the evidence in this case feels [shows?] that the defendant acted in lawful self-defense".


    Edit: Agent J, if you would (and assuming I'm not asking you to violate some mod decision), point out the links showing your mentioned quotes?
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not? [W:44]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Edit: Agent J, if you would (and assuming I'm not asking you to violate some mod decision), point out the links showing your mentioned quotes?
    don't believe i can but some of the links are in the OP, throughout the thread and the other thread. But per the mods warning i wont be pointing out the facts I already provided on this sub discussion anymore
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    The problem is that something that is not a violent situation is perceived as one. It is that misperception that takes a non-violent situation to a violent one. In both of these cases it was the perception or perceived threat that brought the violence into it. I think that if a person is given a green light to use their own judgement to determine if a threat is present they will be more inclined to do so when there is no real threat and behave accordingly.



    I smell a rat.
    I lived in Michigan for the overwhelming majority of my life. I've been to Detroit numerous times. Impromptu violence is a distinct possibility there. When there is an obviously intoxicated person (regardless of race) causing raucus on your front door, the element is there. As much as you don't want to believe this and I don't want to "go there", the fact that she is a minority does increase the potential - statistically speaking. In this scenario, it is in the spirit of self-interest that you assume the worst and hope to be pleasantly surprised. Thirty years before, every 12 year old had a cell phone. Now, the concept of an adult not having one that they can use in times of emergency borders on the ludicrous. Now, we can dismiss this as a string of coincidences - bad accident, no functioning cell, occurring in a "white neighborhood"...but you also cannot dismiss the potentially nefarious side of things.

    Let's face it - she's going to lose in the court of public opinion, outside of a radical militant black sect.

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