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Thread: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not? [W:44:185]

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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Wtf?
    A person arming their self to investigate what they believe is someone breaking into their home, is not irresponsible usage.
    An accidental discharge does not indicate that either.
    So without further evidence either way, why do you say such?
    I call em like I see em. I don't believe you should shoot until either

    1) a person has broken into your dwelling

    2) or you have clearly identified them as engaging in life threatening activity-

    example, you see someone about to hurl a molotov cocktail at your home-go ahead and cut them in half. you see someone pointing a M16 at your door and they are cranking back the bolt-yeah, that's grounds to open up with everything that kills



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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not? [W:44]

    Someone keeps providing untrue information and calls it a fact as if were true, when it is not.

    I Provided the Prosecutors exact words and linked to them.
    All the other person did was quote what another has said about her words, which they had incorrect.

    Here is is again, linked and all.

    The Prosecutor said in her press conference that "It's alleged she was shot to death by the home owner after she knocked on his locked front screen door." The only folks who had alleged such has been the family.

    Even the above article where the video is located reported it accurately.

    Worthy said during a news conference there was no evidence of forced entry on Wafer’s home. She said it is alleged that McBride was shot after knocking on the locked front screen door.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I call em like I see em. I don't believe you should shoot until either

    1) a person has broken into your dwelling

    2) or you have clearly identified them as engaging in life threatening activity-

    example, you see someone about to hurl a molotov cocktail at your home-go ahead and cut them in half. you see someone pointing a M16 at your door and they are cranking back the bolt-yeah, that's grounds to open up with everything that kills

    Here is what confuses me in regards to your statements.
    You are not speaking to this case which is reported as an accidental discharge. Not a purposeful shooting.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not? [W:44]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Someone keeps providing untrue information and calls it a fact as if were true, when it is not.

    I Provided the Prosecutors exact words and linked to them.
    All the other person did was quote what another has said about her words, which they had incorrect.

    Here is is again, linked and all.

    The Prosecutor said in her press conference that "It's alleged she was shot to death by the home owner after she knocked on his locked front screen door." The only folks who had alleged such has been the family.

    Even the above article where the video is located reported it accurately.

    Worthy said during a news conference there was no evidence of forced entry on Wafer’s home. She said it is alleged that McBride was shot after knocking on the locked front screen door.
    prosecutors always say that because a suspect is presumed innocent UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY BEYOND a reasonable doubt. Since the rest of us are NOT part of the prosecution team (it would be a violation of professional ethics and most likely office policy for a member of the prosecution team to post here on this thread) we don't have to couch our comments in such CYA legalese



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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not? [W:44]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Someone keeps providing untrue information and calls it a fact as if were true, when it is not.

    I Provided the Prosecutors exact words and linked to them.
    All the other person did was quote what another has said about her words, which they had incorrect.

    Here is is again, linked and all.

    The Prosecutor said in her press conference that "It's alleged she was shot to death by the home owner after she knocked on his locked front screen door." The only folks who had alleged such has been the family.

    Even the above article where the video is located reported it accurately.

    Worthy said during a news conference there was no evidence of forced entry on Wafer’s home. She said it is alleged that McBride was shot after knocking on the locked front screen door.
    Of course she said "alleged".... That pesky Constitution thing again...

    BUT, neither knocking nor banging is really going to come into play here IMHO.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not? [W:44]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    prosecutors always say that because a suspect is presumed innocent UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY BEYOND a reasonable doubt. Since the rest of us are NOT part of the prosecution team (it would be a violation of professional ethics and most likely office policy for a member of the prosecution team to post here on this thread) we don't have to couch our comments in such CYA legalese

    She was not speaking to the evidence and what she was alleging.
    She was stating what was alleged by another.
    She could only know that the door was touched by collected evidence. Not how it was touched, as in banging vs simply knocking.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not? [W:44]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Someone keeps providing untrue information and calls it a fact as if were true, when it is not.

    I Provided the Prosecutors exact words and linked to them.
    All the other person did was quote what another has said about her words, which they had incorrect.

    Here is is again, linked and all.

    The Prosecutor said in her press conference that "It's alleged she was shot to death by the home owner after she knocked on his locked front screen door." The only folks who had alleged such has been the family.

    Even the above article where the video is located reported it accurately.

    Worthy said during a news conference there was no evidence of forced entry on Wafer’s home. She said it is alleged that McBride was shot after knocking on the locked front screen door.
    100% false the quote is HERS after the EARLIER video statement and until evidence can prove otherwise your claim 100% wrong

    here it is again

    Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy "evidence showed McBride, of Detroit, knocked on the locked screen door of Wafer’s home and that there was no evidence of forced entry."

    if you have anything, any facts at all that shows the country prosecutor is lying please post them.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Here is what confuses me in regards to your statements.
    You are not speaking to this case which is reported as an accidental discharge. Not a purposeful shooting.
    Would you say that Negligent discharge of a weapon is irresponsible use or responsible use?
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    Would you say that Negligent discharge of a weapon is irresponsible use or responsible use?
    You are phrasing it as negligent when it may not be.
    So under what is presently known, I would say it could be an accident while using properly.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not? [W:44]

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    1.)She was not speaking to the evidence and what she was alleging.
    2.)She was stating what was alleged by another.
    3.) She could only know that the door was touched by collected evidence. Not how it was touched, as in banging vs simply knocking.
    1.) proof, link, facts? this statement is a guess
    2.) see #1
    3.) see #1
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