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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I didn't catch the sarcasm. And to your suggestion that it's presumptuous... WHY? It's f'ing 2am and I'm going to answer a door or open a door to a stranger when I live alone and all the neighbor houses are either dark or too far away to know, and I'm going to be STUPID enough to do that without calling 911....sorry but that's just plain stupid, unless I'm a 6ft+ 220lb+ well trained in some form of defense person. Iirc, the man was elderly and the impression is given that he was frail-ish, though I'm not sure where I have that opinion from.
    He actually is over 6ft and 200+
    and he is only 54, not "edlerly" at all

    but i do agree with you if i thought there was a real threat i call 911 BUT that doesnt really mean much.

    But i also agree i would never just open my door either without being able to see whats going on, but again just our opinion.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    at this moment its factually not because theres no evidence that shows the "banging" was anything aggressive, theres no signs/evidence of forced entry or attempted forced entry. At this point its a meaningless acronym.

    COuld that change? yes if theres MORE evidence and facts we dont know about but unless that happens it holds zero weight.
    I'm not sure how this works though - can his defense just put him on the stand and have him say "I heard banging, and went to the door with my shotgun, which accidentally discharged"?

    And then the prosecution has to poke holes in his claim? I think that's how it works...so whether his claim is reasonable or not, it has to be proved wrong in order to convict him of something?
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I'm not sure how this works though - can his defense just put him on the stand and have him say "I heard banging, and went to the door with my shotgun, which accidentally discharged"?

    And then the prosecution has to poke holes in his claim? I think that's how it works...so whether his claim is reasonable or not, it has to be proved wrong in order to convict him of something?
    So in your mind he's guilty of manslaughter. Accidental discharge is akin to killing someone with a vehicle because you were texting or such, ie manslaughter, not "innocent"
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    1.)I'm not sure how this works though - can his defense just put him on the stand and have him say "I heard banging, and went to the door with my shotgun, which accidentally discharged"?

    And then the prosecution has to poke holes in his claim? I think that's how it works...so whether his claim is reasonable or not, it has to be proved wrong in order to convict him of something?

    not sure what you are asking me? it seems you think im attacking him going to the door with a gun? i am defintiely not, thats justified, please correct me if i guessed wrong.


    yes and im sure thats what will happen but that term is meaningless without evidence of something else

    going to your door with your gun at night is a fine action. Im not going against that i have done the same personally.


    Without further evidence what will "banging" mean as for a legal standpoint, evidence standpoint? nothing

    my daughter has banged on my door in the day, it was agitating and i have told her not to do it, she also did it like 3am one time, she stayed at a neighbors and they had to live to go to the hospital and she cam home. again i was agitated but this time i understood her "harder" knocking was to wake me up and since it was good reason i was no longer agitated.

    My point is without MORE evidence and FACTS banging on the door with hand is nothing but a hard knock and legally it doesnt change anything.

    she could of lightly knocked, rang the door bell or just be yelling help, going to your own door with a weapon is still justified, its your weapon, your home.


    If he sticks to the story that it was an accident then the banging becomes even more irrelevant, he'll just have to explain how the accident happened . . .

    and if there is negligence determined he'll probably get IM
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    So in your mind he's guilty of manslaughter. Accidental discharge is akin to killing someone with a vehicle because you were texting or such, ie manslaughter, not "innocent"
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    not sure what you are asking me? it seems you think im attacking him going to the door with a gun? i am defintiely not, thats justified, please correct me if i guessed wrong.


    yes and im sure thats what will happen but that term is meaningless without evidence of something else

    going to your door with your gun at night is a fine action. Im not going against that i have done the same personally.


    Without further evidence what will "banging" mean as for a legal standpoint, evidence standpoint? nothing

    my daughter has banged on my door in the day, it was agitating and i have told her not to do it, she also did it like 3am one time, she stayed at a neighbors and they had to live to go to the hospital and she cam home. again i was agitated but this time i understood her "harder" knocking was to wake me up and since it was good reason i was no longer agitated.

    My point is without MORE evidence and FACTS banging on the door with hand is nothing but a hard knock and legally it doesnt change anything.

    she could of lightly knocked, rang the door bell or just be yelling help, going to your own door with a weapon is still justified, its your weapon, your home.


    If he sticks to the story that it was an accident then the banging becomes even more irrelevant, he'll just have to explain how the accident happened . . .

    and if there is negligence determined he'll probably get IM
    What the hell?

    I was just asking for clarification on how the trial bit would work.
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    What the hell?

    I was just asking for clarification on how the trial bit would work.
    LOL

    well i had no clue what you were asking thats what i said

    I still dont know exactly what you are asking

    trial bit?

    what specifically are you asking
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    The problem here is that you're wanting to be omniscient. You can't be.

    He'll be judged by 12 people who can take into account actual evidence, and determine if he can be convicted on that and that alone.

    You're trying to convict on "I think he" or "he probably".

    He has a legitimate chance to walk because there just is not enough evidence to return a guilty verdict.
    He should walk because there is reasonable doubt. Why? Because the victim was drunk and on drugs.

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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    OK, now I have seen it, I still have no idea what you were trying to say. Unless you are saying that YOU were the one that missed the day they taught Law at Law school... Please tell me that you are NOT a lawyer... I certainly am not, but I know that I am correct on this aspect.

    Please, call your "friends that are cops" and if they REALLY tell you to move the body, I will eat my hat!
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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    OK, now I have seen it, I still have no idea what you were trying to say. Unless you are saying that YOU were the one that missed the day they taught Law at Law school... Please tell me that you are NOT a lawyer... I certainly am not, but I know that I am correct on this aspect.

    Please, call your "friends that are cops" and if they REALLY tell you to move the body, I will eat my hat!
    Oh I've heard it plenty.

    I'm saying that without proof, accusations are baseless - and you can move a body and still cover your tracks properly.

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    Re: Theodore Wafer, shooter of Renisha McBride, conviction or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Oh I've heard it plenty.

    I'm saying that without proof, accusations are baseless - and you can move a body and still cover your tracks properly.
    And by covering your tracks, you are "tampering with evidence"....
    Then, when you in front of the jury, the prosocution says "why would he do this? because he knew he was wrong in shooting Mr. Smith" and your hole gets deeper and deeper.

    You can try to spin it, or you can go back and look at the Michigan Code that I posted. I even highlighted it. You are giving advice that you COMMIT A FELONY in a case where you should be perfectly fine if you had not touched anything!
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