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    Re: Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I am trying to make sure we honor our commitments to ALL AMERICAN WORKERS and that includes seniors of low incomes
    A lie you tell yourself and probably even believe, but still a lie. You would reduce low income workers' living standards off their current baseline in order to protect upper income seniors such as yourself from having to lose a penny of their government checks.

    And talk about looking ridiculous - George Santayana warned us about people like you who prefer to play ostrich and hide their head in the sand rather than study the past and confront the errors we committed so it is not our future
    given your demonstrated pathetic understanding of a subject you spent years teaching, you may not want to be throwing that claim around

    Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
    Yeah. For example, large pyramid schemes such as our current entitlement structure always fail. those who do not remember this will be doomed to repeat it

    As for the beheadings you love to claim are the alternative to your proposed policies - balderdash. There is nothing in history that suggests such a thing. Revolutions are, as I have already pointed out to you historically engendered by rising and unmet expectations, not rich people being rich.

    Apparently you have learned nothing from it and would have us rush headlong down the same paths which only lead to disaster for our society.

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    Re: Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    That's the way I felt and thought about it too..I was totally against the idea, but I have seen the stock Market dive like Esther Williams only to come back higher than ever--whatever was lost was regained...so that fear is gone...and perhaps it hasn't been explained as well as you explained it
    Well, doing so would require that lawmakers do the intellectual leg-work themselves. Let's just say that I suspect the belief they have not is a fairly reasonable thesis.

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    Re: Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    A lie you tell yourself and probably even believe, but still a lie. You would reduce low income workers' living standards off their current baseline in order to protect upper income seniors such as yourself from having to lose a penny of their government checks.:
    Man up and quote where I would reduce the checks of anybody.

    As for the beheadings you love to claim are the alternative to your proposed policies - balderdash. There is nothing in history that suggests such a thing. Revolutions are, as I have already pointed out to you historically engendered by rising and unmet expectations, not rich people being rich.
    You just stepped into your own criteria and in doing so proved me correct. Rising and unmet expectations hey? That describes perfectly the expectations people have that they will be able to live their retirement in dignity with the promised funds from Social Security and then folks like you on the right snatching the rug out from under them. Thank you for proving me correct. I can think of little else that would so infuriate otherwise calm and peaceful Americans than to screw them in this horrible fashion.

    You do a great job at being a witness for my very claims.
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    Re: Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post

    given your demonstrated pathetic understanding of a subject you spent years teaching, you may not want to be throwing that claim around


    taking cheap shots and making personal attacks against me only makes you look bad in your inability to actually present any evidence proving what I stated was wrong.
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    Re: Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    That's the way I felt and thought about it too..I was totally against the idea, but I have seen the stock Market dive like Esther Williams only to come back higher than ever--whatever was lost was regained...so that fear is gone...and perhaps it hasn't been explained as well as you explained it
    The gains are not in the same stocks as the losses.....
    I know people who worked in financial related jobs who lost most of what they had invested. But their bosses did very well.....
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    Re: Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Man up and quote where I would reduce the checks of anybody.
    I'll say this again: You would reduce low income workers' living standards off their current baseline in order to protect upper income seniors such as yourself from having to lose a penny of their government checks. You stated that was part of your "solution", along with raising taxes on those of us who are younger than you, and have more of our working lives ahead of us.

    You just stepped into your own criteria and in doing so proved me correct. Rising and unmet expectations hey? That describes perfectly the expectations people have that they will be able to live their retirement in dignity with the promised funds from Social Security and then folks like you on the right snatching the rug out from under them.
    That is partly correct - the loss of expected benefits is indeed the kind of thing that does spark violence - which is why we have seen it start to spark up in Greece (for example). What we do not see it from, however, is what you have described, as some kind of natural response to rich people being rich.

    However, the people who want that future are not those of us on the right. Those of us on the right are trying to save these programs. The folks currently aiming at that future are those who refuse to allow these programs to become sustainable because that would allow change and - ironically - they appear to oppose change for the sake of opposing change.

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    Re: Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The gains are not in the same stocks as the losses.....
    I know people who worked in financial related jobs who lost most of what they had invested. But their bosses did very well.....
    Actually the biggest losers in the market crash were the wealthy.

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    Re: Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

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    Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

    "On the issue of the Chained-CPI, which Obama is reportedly advocating for, The Nation figures that a conservative estimate indicates that the CPI would "take $15,615 in cumulative benefits from the average senior who lived to 95."
    But Warren is going much further and debunking the whole notion that seniors living on $1,269 a month are the major contributors to the deficit as compared to the tax breaks and loopholes that have led to the massive redistribution of national revenue to the top 1 %.
    In a news release on Warren's senate website, she issued a clarion call to save our elderly from poverty imposed by the "conventional wisdom" of shifting the nation's financial assets to a privileged few:
    “With tens of millions of people more financially stressed as they approach retirement, with more and more people left out of the private retirement security system, and with the economic security of our families unraveling, Social Security is rapidly becoming the only lifeline that millions of seniors have to keep their heads above water,” Senator Warren said. “And yet, instead of taking on the retirement crisis, instead of strengthening Social Security, some in Washington are actually fighting to cut benefits…
    "So long as these problems continue to exist and so long as we are in the midst of a real and growing retirement crisis – a crisis that is shaking the foundations of what was once a vibrant and secure middle class – the absolute last thing we should be doing is talking about cutting back on Social Security. The absolute last thing we should do in 2013 – at the very moment that Social Security has become the principal lifeline for millions of our seniors – is allow the program to begin to be dismantled inch by inch.”

    Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

    Is this finally the voice of sanity ringing in DC?

    Who do you trust?

    Is she the voice of the 99%?
    I say we should increase social security. The reason we are having this problem is that the government took all of that income earned from the people paying for it and spent it instead of keeping it to use for peoples use. Now when those people are old enough to actually need it, there's nothing to support them with. Its classic government: spend the money you have now even if it bits you in the butt later.
    War is not a tool to satisfy your emotional outbursts.

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    Re: Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually the biggest losers in the market crash were the wealthy.
    dollar wise, perhaps, but percentage of net worth?
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    Re: Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    dollar wise, perhaps, but percentage of net worth?
    Yup. A higher percentage of their net worth was in the market to begin with. They lost the most income, too (aside from those who lost all their income).

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