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    Re: Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

    I think Social Security should be brought into alignment with its true purpose, which is old age insurance, which means we should align what "old age" means, which is living past the average life expectancy. Bring the eligibility age into congruence with average life expectancy and the program becomes 1) incontrovertibly fair and 2) solvent forever.

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    Re: Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. Warren is verifiably in open defiance of reality if she thinks that entitlements are not the key drivers of our current spending and future debt.

    2. She is right that currently Social Security is a rotten surprise for seniors who think that it's going to take care of them. The average baby boomer is retiring with around $255K saved, and often in debt - they think that SS is going to be their backstop. They are woefully mistaken; even if SS was able to last throughout their retirement (and it will not), the average payments are too low for decent living - and they are lower for our lower income retirees, who are least likely to have been able to save on the side.

    3. That being said, if you want to increase SS payouts and give financial independence to our low-income workers without collapsing the entitlement system, well, there is actually a way to do that. But I don't think Mrs Warren is going to like it.


    I was surprised to find that I had no objections to your plan...It was clear and concise and did make sense...

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    Re: Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why should rich people pay more and more and getting no increased benefits
    hint: its called SOCIAL SECURITY because it is a societal benefit program and not just an individual retirement program. And the rich do get increased benefits. They get to lord it over the peasants in the safety of their McMansions and country clubs and Daddykins can sleep with the upstairs maid without the fear that America will go the way of other societies in history where the masses felt they were not being treated properly and insurrection and violence and even revolution resulted. SS is a form of buying off the masses and preserving the peace and an orderly society and that benefits all - especially those at the top of the societal pyramid.

    The right wing crusade against Social Security is nothing new and goes back to the Thirties. Today it has been hijacked and revived by the right libertarians as part of their unholy crusade against government. Think about it for a minute: if goverment got rid of social security and hundreds of millions of American got screwed in the process - what would be the resulting feeling towards government by those people? People would lose their faith in government very very quickly. And that fits the right libertarian cause celebre quite well.

    We need to protect SS through a very simple program of
    1- expanding FICA so that ALL earners pay tax on 100% of their earnings - not just the lower 92% who do so today.
    2 - apply FICA to all monies going into a persons pocket or accounts
    3- freeze benefit levels at what they are today plus inflation

    The result in an influx of money to fix a money based problem. By many estimates it would make up 85% of the annual shortfall and the rest could easily come from general reveunes.
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    Re: Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    I was surprised to find that I had no objections to your plan...It was clear and concise and did make sense...
    Thanks. I've long thought that there were plenty of ways to achieve both Liberal and Conservative goals within policy.

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    Re: Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's a silly combination of seething envy and moronic populism
    I have more income and assets than I need, certainly enough to put 7 grandkids thru college.....so no envy.
    Populism? How so?
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    Re: Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    hint: its called SOCIAL SECURITY because it is a societal benefit program and not just an individual retirement program. And the rich do get increased benefits. They get to lord it over the peasants in the safety of their McMansions and country clubs and Daddykins can sleep with the upstairs maid without the fear that America will go the way of other societies in history where the masses felt they were not being treated properly and insurrection and violence and even revolution resulted. SS is a form of buying off the masses and preserving the peace and an orderly society and that benefits all - especially those at the top of the societal pyramid.
    Excuse me.... but how, exactly, does attacking the upper-income for what they have rightfully earned and paid for advance the discussion?

    We need to protect SS through a very simple program of
    1- expanding FICA so that ALL earners pay tax on 100% of their earnings - not just the lower 92% who do so today.
    2 - apply FICA to all monies going into a persons pocket or accounts
    3- freeze benefit levels at what they are today plus inflation
    So sad you want to screw over low-income seniors by reducing their income. That is all many of our elderly have to survive on, and you want to cut into it.

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    Re: Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Excuse me.... but how, exactly, does attacking the upper-income for what they have rightfully earned and paid for advance the discussion?



    So sad you want to screw over low-income seniors by reducing their income. That is all many of our elderly have to survive on, and you want to cut into it.
    My plan reduces no such thing.

    I have no idea what your question about attacking upper income people means.
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    Re: Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I have more income and assets than I need, certainly enough to put 7 grandkids thru college.....so no envy.
    Populism? How so?
    Do you find crooks on Wall Street acceptable?
    I think calling for the deaths of people who haven't been indicted, let alone convicted is rather moronic



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    Re: Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I think calling for the deaths of people who haven't been indicted, let alone convicted is rather moronic
    are you really a lawyer? seems to me you can't be tried, much less convicted, without an indictment....
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    Re: Social Security Should Be Enhanced, Not Cut, Elizabeth Warren Tells Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    are you really a lawyer? seems to me you can't be tried, much less convicted, without an indictment....
    really? people are convicted on informations all the time through a plea. Misdemeanor convictions are not pursuant to an indictment either

    I know who is really the lawyer and who is not.



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