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Who is the most racist the left or the right? [W:353]

Who is the most racist the left or the right?

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opendebate said:
You are operating under the misconception that liberals support such policies because they consider blacks incapable of achieving success without them do to some innate inferiority on their part when the fact of the matter is that liberals don’t assume racist obstacles are too big to individually overcome—merely that they make it far more difficult than it should be for persons of color, and that this is a unique injustice.
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Come on now... you know that Democrats have created programs intended to assist those in need and that this has created unintended consequences such as scams and dependency and that they have no real urgency to fix these problems because they then lose their voter base.
 
Fiddytree said:
What's funny is I haven't seen a single break-away from rank in the poll votes. All of you voters seem to blame the other side of the fence still. :lol:
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I didn't vote. I blame everyone.

I know you're not racist because you live in a highly black state like North Dakota. You know - Utah, minus Karl Malone. :D
 
Fiddytree said:
What's funny is I haven't seen a single break-away from rank in the poll votes. All of you voters seem to blame the other side of the fence still. :lol:
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That's cause I cannot vote for both. Sad face.
 
Gipper said:
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Many of those "racist obstacles" are self-created too.
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How is a racist obstacle self created. Exactly?

It's created a victim mentality and a God complex for anyone that fits the definition of "protected class". .
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That's a tired cliche. Think beyond the soundbites Gip. These protections were put in place because they were/are necessary.

If a woman, a black, a homosexual, etc. is fired, it's automatically bigotry
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No, it's not automatically bigotry or sexism but the possibility is very real. I am not saying that every time a woman or a person of color gets fired it is bigotry or sexism, but it is still present and we still need protections.


Business is very meritocratic in nature, because it rewards one color - green.
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We both know that many peoples commitment to their political or social beliefs can and do shout down the dollar. And since the individual doing the firing is probably not the same individual who directly profits if they don't, he/she is even less inspired to make the right call.
 
Gipper said:
I didn't vote. I blame everyone.

I know you're not racist because you live in a highly black state like North Dakota. You know - Utah, minus Karl Malone. :D
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Yeah, 90% white, baby! We match our most plentiful meteorological feature!
 
Bodhisattva said:
Come on now... you know that Democrats have created programs intended to assist those in need and that this has created unintended consequences such as scams and dependency and that they have no real urgency to fix these problems because they then lose their voter base.
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The operative word here is unintended. Doesn't claiming someone is racist have something to do with intent? (hmmmmmm.....what incredibly wise poster here at the DP made that comment.....hmmmmm)

Anyway, I am not saying that it does not occur on both sides. All humans are capable. I am just saying that Gippers statement about why liberals supporting it because they think it is the only way that people of color can advance was incorrect.
 
opendebate said:
The operative word here is unintended. Doesn't claiming someone is racist have something to do with intent? (hmmmmmm.....what incredibly wise poster here at the DP made that comment.....hmmmmm)

Anyway, I am not saying that it does not occur on both sides. All humans are capable. I am just saying that Gippers statement about why liberals supporting it because they think it is the only way that people of color can advance was incorrect.
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That one got me laughing! :lol:

Fair enough...
 
opendebate said:
How is a racist obstacle self created. Exactly?


That's a tired cliche. Think beyond the soundbites Gip. These protections were put in place because they were/are necessary.


No, it's not automatically bigotry or sexism but the possibility is very real. I am not saying that every time a woman or a person of color gets fired it is bigotry or sexism, but it is still present and we still need protections.
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The obstacle is that it's self-imagined. Can you deny that there are endless times when the race card is played when race played absolutely no part? I'm not even talking about Sharpton either. I'm talking everyday life and everyday people.

opendebate said:
We both know that many peoples commitment to their political or social beliefs can and do shout down the dollar. And since the individual doing the firing is probably not the same individual who directly profits if they don't, he/she is even less inspired to make the right call.
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You're wildly misconstruing the corporate world. If anything, Human Resources will often not pull the trigger in legitimate cases where someone needs to be fired because they are a minority, and even misdirected, incorrect, and malicious cries of "racism" can be detrimental to a company's image and goodwill. Middle management only cares about saving its own ass. It's the level where all you do is put out fires, step on as few toes as possible, maintain the status quo, and make everyone happy. Middle management is happy when you don't think about middle management. Even the powers that be are highly sensitive to public criticism, and despise making limelight. If anything, the corporate world favors the minority - out of fear.

opendebate said:
The operative word here is unintended. Doesn't claiming someone is racist have something to do with intent? (hmmmmmm.....what incredibly wise poster here at the DP made that comment.....hmmmmm)

Anyway, I am not saying that it does not occur on both sides. All humans are capable. I am just saying that Gippers statement about why liberals supporting it because they think it is the only way that people of color can advance was incorrect.
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I knew you loved me.
 
Gipper said:
The obstacle is that it's self-imagined. Can you deny that there are endless times when the race card is played when race played absolutely no part? I'm not even talking about Sharpton either. I'm talking everyday life and everyday people.
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That's really irrelevant. If it is in some instances imagined or if there are instances when something is called racist and it in fact is not, (which happens) that has nothing to do with whether or not there are legitimate claims. Unless you can prove that the MAJORITY of claims are false, IMO protections should stay in place.

Here is the tricky part though, racist and sexist or let's say prejudicial views towards minorities are so woven into white culture that we don't recognize it as such anymore. So many will claim that an accusation of racially prejudicial or sexist thinking or behavior is unfounded because they don't see it, but them not seeing it does not mean it is not present. So, excuse me if I don't trust a man to decide if some douche is being a sexist ass towards me.
 
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opendebate said:
That's really irrelevant. If it is in some instances imagined or if there are instances when something is called racist and it in fact is not, (which happens) that has nothing to do with whether or not there are legitimate claims. Unless you can prove that the MAJORITY of claims are false, IMO protections should stay in place.

Here is the tricky part though, racist or let's say prejudicial views towards minorities are so woven into white culture that we don't recognize it as such anymore. So many will claim that an accusation of racially prejudicial or sexist thinking or behavior is unfounded because they don't see it, but them not seeing it does not mean it is not present. So, excuse me if I don't trust a man to decide if some douche is being a sexist ass towards me.
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So basically...

 
One party pretty openly hates minorities, so i'd have to go with that, although i'm sure there are individuals on the left with racist sentiments.
 
opendebate said:
Such as?
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Well, I wanted to see if you thought that was racism. The bald white executive using "jive" in an obviously inappropriate place and time, but seemingly oblivious to it. I also wanted to see what you thought about the response - how, in that episode of When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong, Chappelle's character goes overboard in his reaction to what he thought was racism.

It was funny, but c'mon - it was relevant to the discussion. Thoughts? Opinions? Moral outrages? Confessions of undying love to me?
 
Gipper said:
Well, I wanted to see if you thought that was racism. The bald white executive using "jive" in an obviously inappropriate place and time, but seemingly oblivious to it. I also wanted to see what you thought about the response - how, in that episode of When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong, Chappelle's character goes overboard in his reaction to what he thought was racism.

It was funny, but c'mon - it was relevant to the discussion. Thoughts? Opinions? Moral outrages?
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I think it was ignorant and a little insulting on the part of the white guy. I wouldn't call it racist. I think the reaction of Chappelle's character was also inappropriate for the workplace. Happy?




Confessions of undying love to me?
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Don't rush me.
 
Bodhisattva said:
So it is up to the Independents to tell it like it is... The Left.

Affirmative Action. Political Correctness. Can't criticize Obama.
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Mkay. :roll:

The notion that Obama can't be criticized is false. "The left" criticizes Obama ALL THE DAMN TIME.
 
Clearly the left is the most racist. That's why minorities - Asians, Hispanics, African-Americans - vote Republican in such overwhelming numbers! :lamo
 
APACHERAT said:
Then you will remain either uninformed or misinformed.

I haven't checked in a couple of years. maybe a three hundred year old Spanish dictionary is online now ?

The one I used is at the Huntington Library.

Most what I wrote about the La Raza movement also came from Spanish language newspapers published in California during the last half of the 1800's and first half of the 1900's. Those newspapers can also be found at the Huntington Library.

Basically Redress, the National Council of La raza is a Mexican nationalist racist hate group. In America they are labeled as the radical left. In Mexico they are labeled as radical right reactionaries.
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Actually, demanding references beyond the say so of a random person on the internets is the exact opposite of being "uninformed or misinformed".
 
Kobie said:
Mkay. :roll:

The notion that Obama can't be criticized is false. "The left" criticizes Obama ALL THE DAMN TIME.
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You missed my point. When the Left does it it is fine. When the Right does it it is racist. That in itself is racist.

Then you add on Affirmative Action and Political Correctness the first that is obviously racist and the second that puts every person in fear of saying anything that "might" offend another person as being racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. *shrugs*

It is pathetic.
 
Redress said:
Actually, demanding references beyond the say so of a random person on the internets is the exact opposite of being "uninformed or misinformed".
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I gave you the references.

I'm the original author, and if you read it in a couple of history books and it sounds familiar, I was the one who did the research for the published historian.
Yes I got paid for it.

It wasn't an opinion but from what history is written from.

When you "google" how often do you use "Google Scholar" ?

What is scary, that people are using the internet as a source for history and are by passing what history is written from.
 
APACHERAT said:
I gave you the references.

I'm the original author, and if you read it in a couple of history books and it sounds familiar, I was the one who did the research for the published historian.
Yes I got paid for it.

It wasn't an opinion but from what history is written from.

When you "google" how often do you use "Google Scholar" ?

What is scary, that people are using the internet as a source for history and are by passing what history is written from.
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Unless I missed the book title, am I in any way correct that you studied under/researched for Marguerite Marin or Van Gosse?
 
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