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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    ... the direction that argument goes ends up with everyone being a socialist.
    Nearly everyone supports socialist fire and police departments, socialist public parks, the socialist military, socialist road building etc.

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    See post #17 for one example. Also the fundamental transformation has occurred with the passage of the ACA. The largest sector, 18 % of the economy under heavy regulation, mandated participation, and supported by a tax scheme. What economic system would you say underlies that type of activity? Please, Just give a definitionally accurate label. BTW. corporatists when using governmental power and tax dollars to support selected businesses can be and are socialist, imho.
    The ACA is not a socialist bill. I repeat .. it was designed by the Heritage Foundation and written by health insurance lobbyists like Liz Fowler.

    A corporatist is a corporatist and the corporate will is always at the top of their agenda.

    Health care reform was mandated by the American people .. and although Obama did not deliver, there is nothing the right can do to stop it.

    This nation has not been transformed into anything but what it is .. capitalist and war mongering.

    On foreign policy Obama IS George Bush.

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Nearly everyone supports socialist fire and police departments, socialist public parks, the socialist military, socialist road building etc.
    Absolutely.

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    The ACA is not a socialist bill. I repeat .. it was designed by the Heritage Foundation and written by health insurance lobbyists like Liz Fowler.

    A corporatist is a corporatist and the corporate will is always at the top of their agenda.

    Health care reform was mandated by the American people .. and although Obama did not deliver, there is nothing the right can do to stop it.

    This nation has not been transformed into anything but what it is .. capitalist and war mongering.

    On foreign policy Obama IS George Bush.
    OK I see you didn't answer the one question I had. That says it all.
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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post

    A corporatist is a corporatist and the corporate will is always at the top of their agenda.
    You are still recycling content-free slogans. And not answering any of our questions.

    Just sayin'.

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    OK I see you didn't answer the one question I had. That says it all.
    It's a capitalist system. The health insurance is still all provided through for-profit and non-profit companies that are not owned by the govt. That there are regulations around the insurance has ALWAYS been the case - insurance has always been regulated. The ACA just added more provisions that most of us like - not getting kicked off for pre-existing conditions, and what-not. Also added funding to help low-income people get health insurance (just like we give subsidies to WalMart and oil companies). And yes, requires everyone to have it - like car insurance. Nothing in that is socialism.

    Health care itself is also capitalist - hospitals, doctors, etc aren't employed by the govt (setting aside the VA).

    ACA isn't socialism. It's just trying to keep the insurance companies from ripping us off the way they used to.

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    It's a capitalist system. The health insurance is still all provided through for-profit and non-profit companies that are not owned by the govt. That there are regulations around the insurance has ALWAYS been the case - insurance has always been regulated. The ACA just added more provisions that most of us like - not getting kicked off for pre-existing conditions, and what-not. Also added funding to help low-income people get health insurance (just like we give subsidies to WalMart and oil companies). And yes, requires everyone to have it - like car insurance. Nothing in that is socialism.

    Health care itself is also capitalist - hospitals, doctors, etc aren't employed by the govt (setting aside the VA).

    ACA isn't socialism. It's just trying to keep the insurance companies from ripping us off the way they used to.
    Except it is mandated participation. And plans are dictated. That qualifies it as socialist.
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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Nearly everyone supports socialist fire and police departments, socialist public parks, the socialist military, socialist road building etc.
    What definition of socialist are you using?
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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    What definition of socialist are you using?
    The idea that the people have a right to empower their government to provide services instead of relying solely on the private sector (AKA businesses, or the marketplace) to meet their needs.

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Except it is mandated participation. And plans are dictated. That qualifies it as socialist.

    Seriously? so car insurance is socialist too? requiring kids to go to school is socialist? Making everyone obey the speed limit is socialist?

    As some earlier posters pointed out, his opponents are twisting the definition of socialism till its own mother wouldn't recognize it.

    And the thing is - who cares what label you throw on it? I could call subsidies of oil companies socialism. Label only matters if you have a knee-jerk reaction to a label and never look at anything else. Do you like the policy or not? That's what is important, not whatever label you put on it. Which in this case I believe you are doing inaccurately; you disagree; but again - call it a "firestormism" ... call it whatever you like. It's what's in it that is important.

    Personally, given how screwed up our health insurance system was, I feel the ACA is a step in the right direction, even though I would have preferred single payer. (But that could have led to huge economic disruptions as health insurance companies closed down, so maybe not the best to do right away).

    We have higher health costs and worst outcomes - ie lower life expectancy - than other western countries like France and England (Yeah, google it, I'm not bothering posting a link; by now everyone on this site should be well aware of this) (and yes, there are some medical procedures that we do better than them, but overall - more $$$, shorter lives) I personally think highly enough of our country to think we can do better than this - and that we WANT to do better than this. That we don't want people dying because they couldn't afford basic care.

    You may disagree with that, of course.

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