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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Not so great. Continue with trickle down economics, and capitalism thats what we get


    Just saying in this thread that the whole "Obama is a socialist" claim is idiotic, and just wanting to see who still believes that idiotic talking point
    Is there a particular reason you used a graph that stops in 2008? Something happen after that that you don't want us to know about?
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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    That was just the BS to get elected. If Obama was a socialist he would have never proposed a corporatist plan like the ACA/RomneyCare/Heritage Foundation/Obamacare
    Or rather, getting elected introduced him to reality.

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    :0) In other words, there is no limit to how far you're willing to stretch 'socialism' and 'capitalism.'
    Not at all I am using the standard definition. See Below:

    Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy.[1] "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership, citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these.[2] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them.[3] They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets or planning, how management is to be organised within productive institutions, and the role of the state in constructing socialism.[4]

    Almost every administration since the early 1900's has been involved in moving our economic system to a less free and more one of more state control. President Obama has been successful in his own stated attempt to "fundamentally transform" the nation. What do you think he meant by that? President Obama (and other past presidents) believes in and supports policies that are socialist in nature.
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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Or rather, getting elected introduced him to reality.
    When corporations become largely dependent on federal money and or credits to survive, and at the same time are heavily regulated; this meets the definition of socialism. Think about what it means for banks to be too big to fail, coupled with heavy regulations, and further their profits being supported by the fed. This is a symbiotic and controlled relationship between Government and providers of capital. Straight up socialism.
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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i agree there.
    I don't. Incrementalism is the hallmark of a democratic socialist.
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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Or rather, getting elected introduced him to reality.
    BS to get elected is not really hard to discern. All it takes is to pay attention.

    This was just one among Obama's mountain of BS to get elected.

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Soo the Dow hit a record high of 16,000 under this terrible "anti business, socialist" Obama.. Is he still a "socialist"?
    Why would you equate the Dow to Obama not being a Socialist?

    Since the 2010 elections, his party has not had free reign. Although he has done some things through executive order, there is a limit on how far he can go, even with them.

    I think he is still very much a socialist, just not a happy one. Congress, primarily the House, and scandals have limited his ability to pursue socialist policy, that does not mean that he has changed.

    Does he still desire government control of the economy and the government to be used to shape social behavior? I think so.
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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Not at all I am using the standard definition. See Below:

    Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy.[1] "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership, citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these.[2] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them.[3] They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets or planning, how management is to be organised within productive institutions, and the role of the state in constructing socialism.[4]

    Almost every administration since the early 1900's has been involved in moving our economic system to a less free and more one of more state control. President Obama has been successful in his own stated attempt to "fundamentally transform" the nation. What do you think he meant by that? President Obama (and other past presidents) believes in and supports policies that are socialist in nature.
    I'm not sure where rubber meets the road in your assessments. This nation has not been fundamentally transformed into anything it wasn't already was before Obama came into office.

    By your definiton, support of anything deemed 'public' would make one a socialist.

    Obama, by no definition, is or has ever been, a socialist. The biggest beneficiaries of his administration BY FAR are Wall Street and Banking, not the American people

    Obama is a capitalist, a corporatist .. and forever will always be. Obama is a about as 'socialist' as Bill Clinton.

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    I'm not sure where rubber meets the road in your assessments. This nation has not been fundamentally transformed into anything it wasn't already was before Obama came into office.

    By your definiton, support of anything deemed 'public' would make one a socialist.

    Obama, by no definition, is or has ever been, a socialist. The biggest beneficiaries of his administration BY FAR are Wall Street and Banking, not the American people

    Obama is a capitalist, a corporatist .. and forever will always be. Obama is a about as 'socialist' as Bill Clinton.
    See post #17 for one example. Also the fundamental transformation has occurred with the passage of the ACA. The largest sector, 18 % of the economy under heavy regulation, mandated participation, and supported by a tax scheme. What economic system would you say underlies that type of activity? Please, Just give a definitionally accurate label. BTW. corporatists when using governmental power and tax dollars to support selected businesses can be and are socialist, imho.
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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    Obama is [...] a corporatist ...
    So? How does it make him less of a socialist?

    I understand that around the university dormitories in some places in this country "socialism" could mean some airy-fairy democratic workers' mutualism, or whatever other kind of nonsense -

    but in the real world it means either the heavy-handed, blind Soviet-style central planning, or the "corporatist" meshing of the State and the private sector. Any sincere socialist who was not in a Rip van Winkle state for the last century will certainly support the latter, not the former.
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