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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Burlington, VT might disagree with the idea that Sanders is a socialist, where he was mayor..
    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    he never was one. Bernie Sanders is the closest thing to a real socialist in the legislative or executive branches.
    As for today, Sanders is in the hip pocket of French-Canadian wind-energy corporatists, who have put wind farms on the northern VT Green Mountain ridges .
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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Burlington, VT might disagree with the idea that Sanders is a socialist, where he was mayor..


    As for today, Sanders is in the hip pocket of French-Canadian wind-energy corporatists, who have put wind farms on the northern VT Green Mountain ridges .
    Just like the German Social-Democrats or other social-democrats and socialists in Europe are in the hip pockets of "green energy" corporatists. That's what socialists do. They are not Soviet-style Communists (who considered socialists a petit bourgeois enemy): they seek to engage and control (and corrupt, I would add) private sector, not to push it away or ruin it. Limited nationalizations were in vogue in the 1950s-1970s (just like we had and still have the government-run Tennessee Valley Authority), but by now very few socialist parties of significance advocate such measures.

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    :0) In other words, there is no limit to how far you're willing to stretch 'socialism' and 'capitalism.'
    I think the source of disagreement is that you view "socialism" as some destination point, and only politicians who qualify as socialists are those that demand thing to be as they supposed be there, all or nothing. We call a politician socialist if his actions are consistenly directed along the socialist vector; more socialism, not less, in our mixed economy.

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Soo the Dow hit a record high of 16,000 under this terrible "anti business, socialist" Obama.. Is he still a "socialist"?


    He never was. If he was, we'd have single payer health care, just to start.

    Sigh.

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    I think the source of disagreement is that you view "socialism" as some destination point, and only politicians who qualify as socialists are those that demand thing to be as they supposed be there, all or nothing. We call a politician socialist if his actions are consistenly directed along the socialist vector; more socialism, not less, in our mixed economy.
    I call them socialist if they support redistribution of wealth and govt control of the economy. In which case, most of america is socialist. Its not just Obama. Rank and file americans generally support progressive taxation, welfare, and govt steering the economy. Thats socialism, even if its not pure socialism. They WANT govt to own schools, hospitals, power plants, which is public ownership of production. They WANT govt to take money from the rich and give it to the poor.

    I do not, therefore I am clearly not socialist. Obama does, democrats do, most Republicans do, most americans do. I still have yet to see a democrat, a liberal, explain why they dont want to be called socialist. Its always "we arent socialists", yet they never try to explain why socialism is a bad thing.

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    He never was. If he was, we'd have single payer health care, just to start.

    Sigh.
    Obama doesnt have dictatorial powers, not for lack of trying. He cant just will stuff into existence.

    "I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer health care plan" - Obama

    "By the way, Canada did not start immediately with a single payer system. They had a similar transition step. " - Obama

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    I think I do know both Wall Street and socialists in politics quite enough. I told you why they are quite compatible. Often the same people: Jon "I simply don't know where the money is" Corzine was the ultimate Wall Street insider, then Senator, then Governor of New Jersey.

    You just answer with "Are you sure?".
    Let me rephrase this .. Wall Street wanted an actual socialist as POTUS and wanted that so badly that they contributed more money to him than anyone in history?

    .. and if the major beneficiary of the policies of that 'socialist' benefited Wall Street more than actual people .. how was that person ever considered to be a socialist in the first place?

    I'm a socialist .. Obama is not and never has been.

    Socialists aren't warmongers for the MIC.

    If Obama was a socialist, Medicare for All would be the law of the land, nor Romneycare.

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    I think the source of disagreement is that you view "socialism" as some destination point, and only politicians who qualify as socialists are those that demand thing to be as they supposed be there, all or nothing. We call a politician socialist if his actions are consistenly directed along the socialist vector; more socialism, not less, in our mixed economy.
    The right calls anything 'public' socialism .. but what they call it isn't the point .. nor are convenient political memes.

    But no honest definition can Obama be remotely considered to be a socialist .. no matter what the meme says.

    The source of disagreement is that partisans stretch words to mean whatever they want it to mean.
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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Obama doesnt have dictatorial powers, not for lack of trying. He cant just will stuff into existence.

    "I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer health care plan" - Obama

    "By the way, Canada did not start immediately with a single payer system. They had a similar transition step. " - Obama
    That was just the BS to get elected. If Obama was a socialist he would have never proposed a corporatist plan like the ACA/RomneyCare/Heritage Foundation/Obamacare

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Since the Left bitches about the way the Right uses socialism, I'll put it another way. He is absolutely a collectivist, and hates the way this country achieved its status through rugged individualism; so he aims to change that through a social justice agenda, to correct all his perceived unfairnesses. Those unfairnesses were primarily imposed on minorities by whites, which is why I consider him a political racist. He perceives all things poltical in terms of race.
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