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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by FederalRepublic View Post
    Well, that certainly proves that Americans wanted medicare for all. If only the democrats had listened.

    I suppose I should have put "healthcare reform" in quotes. Yeah. Lots of people want to do something about the rising costs of health care. Making it more expensive on purpose would rank pretty low on most people's list though, unless you're a socialist. You can't have people choosing market solutions when you have something so awesome that you want to give them, so you have to destroy the market first.
    The simple truth brother is that Obama is a corporatist. Against his own campaign promises he went behind the backroom door and made deals with Big Pharma. He knew he was going to betray the American people on healthcare as the lies were flowing out of his mouth.

    The simple solution all along was removing two words from Medicare, 'over 65' .. work out the details, healthcare done.

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Soo the Dow hit a record high of 16,000 under this terrible "anti business, socialist" Obama.. Is he still a "socialist"?



    When was Obama ever actually a Socialist (Except in some far right peoples minds.)?

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think the president has governed center left. He definately believes government is the solution to most problems which I disagree with. But I wouldn't call him a socialist.
    The stock market has nothing to do with being a sociallist or not.




    That is just, like, your opinion ...man.


    Which some people will disagree with.

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    From my perspective, socialism is not militaristic by its very nature. However, capitalism is .. .
    From my perspective, it is exactly the other way around. "Capital" doesn't care how it gets multiplied; it seeks the highest return on investment, that's all. It can go free-market, or it can go crony-capitalist/socialist, whatever pays better.

    But there's no free market for foreign interventions or massive arms sales. Who are the sellers and the buyers? Small businesses? Of course not. Wars are the business of governments.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    That being said, I agree with your point .. while cringing..
    But you see - you don't have to cringe. You just have to accept the same rather obvious truth I grudgingly (but inevitably) accept, as a libertarian/classical liberal: Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Justin Amash, Gary Johnson, Bill Weld, et al - take any libertarian figure within the American political landscape - I have my share of disagreements with all and any of them, but all of them do definitely fit into the broad libertarian political spectrum (as opposed to you socialists or them conservatives).

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    I would indeed call Corzine a socialist and a crony capitalist .. which is the very reason that he was never going to get the financial backing from Wall Street that Obama did .. .
    Get real. He had outspent the eventual winner Chris Christie in 2010 by nearly 3:1 margin. Some of it came from his own pocket (filled how, I should ask?), but certainly not most of it, and it's not like a conservative farmer in Nebraska or a libertarian software engineer in New Hampshire were sending their contributions, or even his twice-removed cousins from all over. The sources were all too predictable:

    Jon S. Corzine: Campaign Finance/Money - Top Donors - Senator Career | OpenSecrets

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    The simple truth brother is that Obama is a corporatist. Against his own campaign promises he went behind the backroom door and made deals with Big Pharma. He knew he was going to betray the American people on healthcare as the lies were flowing out of his mouth.

    The simple solution all along was removing two words from Medicare, 'over 65' .. work out the details, healthcare done.
    He had to play ball with private companies to get Communist agenda embedded. Look how he put the screws to the insurance compaies.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    From my perspective, socialism is not militaristic by its very nature. However, capitalism is .. and what we see in France is the mix of the two when it comes to foreign policy. The French will declare its the result of Nazi occupation, but whatever its origin, as a socialist, I'm not comfortable with it.

    That being said, I agree with your point .. while cringing.

    I would indeed call Corzine a socialist and a crony capitalist .. which is the very reason that he was never going to get the financial backing from Wall Street that Obama did .. which is my point. If you're suggesting that Wall Street would have bathed Corzine in the same money they gave Obama, I suggest that isn't true.

    Calling everything on the other side of the fence 'socialist' is nothing new for the right. It's the same worn out story ..

    Wall Street soars under Obama’s socialism
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    As we talked about earlier in the year, if President Obama is trying to impose socialism on the U.S. economy, he really isn’t trying very hard.

    The real fun begins when we reminisce about what Obama’s Republican critics were saying in early 2009. Indeed, the Wall Street Journal ran an entire editorial in early March 2009 arguing that the weak stock market was a direct result of investors evaluating “Mr. Obama’s agenda and his approach to governance.”

    Karl Rove and Lou Dobbs made the same case. So did Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Fred Barnes. For a short while, it was one of Mitt Romney’s favorite talking points, too. Even John Boehner got in on the larger attack.

    Just so we’re clear, I still don’t think a strong stock market is necessarily proof of a robust economy. There are far more reliable indicators – job growth and median wages, for example – that tell us far more about the relative strengh of the economy than where major Wall Street indexes close on a given day.

    But when it comes to the politics, consistency matters. Conservatives can’t say a falling stock market in early 2009 is proof that Obama’s agenda is a dangerous failure, and then ignore a rising stock market as irrelevant.
    Wall Street soars under Obama's socialism | MSNBC

    It's soaring because it isn't socialist.
    Ever hear of the Soviet Union?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    That is just, like, your opinion ...man.


    Which some people will disagree with.
    That my friend is their prerogative.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    The simple truth brother is that Obama is a corporatist. Against his own campaign promises he went behind the backroom door and made deals with Big Pharma. He knew he was going to betray the American people on healthcare as the lies were flowing out of his mouth.

    The simple solution all along was removing two words from Medicare, 'over 65' .. work out the details, healthcare done.
    Being a corporatist does not exclude him from being a socialist. Socialists rewards their friends just like every other statist.

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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    What economic system would you say underlies that type of activity?

    If this is the question that you're referring to .. it most certainly would NOT be deemed a socialist economy .. and it is only the imagination that would suggest it would be.

    Are you aware that socialist economies make room for cradle-to-grave free healthcare AND education for its citizens?

    I'm sure the stretching of 'socialist' plays well among the lost and confused .. but calling Obama a socialist is absolutely laughable.

    I'll say again .. partisans will stretch the meaning of everything to meet the meme.
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    Re: Is Obama Still a "Socialist"?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    The simple truth brother is that Obama is a corporatist. Against his own campaign promises he went behind the backroom door and made deals with Big Pharma. He knew he was going to betray the American people on healthcare as the lies were flowing out of his mouth.

    The simple solution all along was removing two words from Medicare, 'over 65' .. work out the details, healthcare done.
    He was always known as a triangulating centrist and establishment type since his days in chicago. Not sure why everyone got sold on this idea he was some political outsider. Well, besides the fact that he was a black man and assumed that amounted to some inherent political position. But whatever

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