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Reasons For Impeachment

Should Obama be impeached for Obama care disaster?

  • Yes, it's solid grounds for it.

    Votes: 6 22.2%
  • No, its not severe enough

    Votes: 18 66.7%
  • Maybe/ I don't know/ i'd want a little more info.

    Votes: 3 11.1%

  • Total voters
    27

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Now we've all heard that there were 3 presidents who were put up for impeachment:
1. Andrew Johnson
2. Bill Clinton
3. Richard Nixon (as a note, Nixon was never actually impeached, he just quit before he could be tried)

Now Johnson just tested the limitations of a law (the Tenure of Office act of 1867). He did this by trying to fire the Secretary of War, and that led to his trial. The house impeached him, but the senate didn't, so he stayed.

Bill Clinton admitted to having an affair after months of lying to people about it. Once again House impeached him, but the senate cleared him.

So my question is, should the disaster with obamacare, between the lying, the people loosing their healthcare, ect...,be enough to impeach Obama?
 
There are two big problems with trying to impeach Obama: 1) the Senate demorat majority and 2) Joe Biden. ;)
 
Because something went wrong in a rollout someone should be impeached?
 
Because something went wrong in a rollout someone should be impeached?

Oh come on, you know better than that. They've wanted to impeach him since his first election, they're just grasping at the only the straw they have.
 
When he commits a crime, I'll support his impeachment.

What Obama does is criminal, but he hasn't committed a crime.
 
While I consider the Clinton's impeachment a low point for the GOP (and that means - a very low point indeed), at least there was, as a matter of fact, an "impeachable" offence - lying under oath.

Obama simply did what most politicians do on the daily basis: lied through his teeth, to push through his favorite legislation/subsidy/used car sale, or whatever.
 
No, and it's not close. What many would have Obama impeached for would blacklist many of our most well regarded Presidents as well.
 
Now we've all heard that there were 3 presidents who were put up for impeachment:
1. Andrew Johnson
2. Bill Clinton
3. Richard Nixon (as a note, Nixon was never actually impeached, he just quit before he could be tried)

Now Johnson just tested the limitations of a law (the Tenure of Office act of 1867). He did this by trying to fire the Secretary of War, and that led to his trial. The house impeached him, but the senate didn't, so he stayed.

Bill Clinton admitted to having an affair after months of lying to people about it. Once again House impeached him, but the senate cleared him.

So my question is, should the disaster with obamacare, between the lying, the people loosing their healthcare, ect...,be enough to impeach Obama?

its more than a lie it is actually classified as fraud and that my dear sir is a felony more then enough grounds for impeachment


Fraud Law & Legal Definition

Fraud is generally defined in the law as an intentional misrepresentation of material existing fact made by one person to another with knowledge of its falsity and for the purpose of inducing the other person to act, and upon which the other person relies with resulting injury or damage. Fraud may also be made by an omission or purposeful failure to state material facts, which nondisclosure makes other statements misleading.

Fraud Law & Legal Definition

under the legal definition of fraud it is an open and shut case against Obama. A 1st year law student could win that case
 
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When he commits a crime, I'll support his impeachment.

What Obama does is criminal, but he hasn't committed a crime.
the crime is fraud

Fraud Law & Legal Definition

Fraud is generally defined in the law as an intentional misrepresentation of material existing fact made by one person to another with knowledge of its falsity and for the purpose of inducing the other person to act, and upon which the other person relies with resulting injury or damage. Fraud may also be made by an omission or purposeful failure to state material facts, which nondisclosure makes other statements misleading.

Fraud Law & Legal Definition
 
the crime is fraud

Fraud Law & Legal Definition

Fraud is generally defined in the law as an intentional misrepresentation of material existing fact made by one person to another with knowledge of its falsity and for the purpose of inducing the other person to act, and upon which the other person relies with resulting injury or damage. Fraud may also be made by an omission or purposeful failure to state material facts, which nondisclosure makes other statements misleading.

Fraud Law & Legal Definition

That's the thing though - misleading. I can't say for sure whether Obama is deceptive, or just deceptively stupid.

The latter is not a crime, and it's really hard to prove.
 
For me it's a maybe. He seems to be consistently violating law and ignoring separation of powers in the implementation process.
 
That's the thing though - misleading. I can't say for sure whether Obama is deceptive, or just deceptively stupid.

The latter is not a crime, and it's really hard to prove.

he admits 8 to 9 million could loose their health insurance in the 2010 health care summit with an exchange with Cantor



senate democrats admits they all knew

 
he admits 8 to 9 million could loose their health insurance in the 2010 health care summit with an exchange with Cantor



senate democrats admits they all knew



Still - not a crime. Lacking forethought? Sure. Slip-shot management? Absolutely. Shoddy application? You got it.

Criminal? Can't quite get there.
 
Still - not a crime. Lacking forethought? Sure. Slip-shot management? Absolutely. Shoddy application? You got it.

Criminal? Can't quite get there.

he admits people where going to lose there plans and after that he still commits the fraud by telling people they will not be losing their plans that vid is from 2010
that is fraud cut and dry
 
he admits people where going to lose there plans and after that he still commits the fraud by telling people they will not be losing their plans that vid is from 2010
that is fraud cut and dry

It's not fraud if he believed it at the time - and I think he did. I think he believed it so much that fiscal truth just slipped past him. Remember that he was elected on a platform of smoke and mirrors; it was an illusion. A very powerful one, mind you - he duped a lot of imbeciles into voting for him.

He wanted "affordable health care" for all. He tried for it. He was defeated by hard economic policy and what I consider "common sense" (although we can argue about how common it is these days).

What you consider malicious fraud, I just consider the spoils of absurd levels of optimism.
 
A predicted thread a few days ago when I put up a thread that Obama should resign for the good of the Nation once the GOP House of NO came up with impeachment articles against Holder..Holder is just too small a fish for the flesh-eating piranha..
 
Because something went wrong in a rollout someone should be impeached?

According to this thread, GWB would have been impeached at least three times..different strokes..
 
He should be impeached for lying to the American people...The only problem is if her was impeached we get Biden as president and that might be worse.
 
He should be impeached for lying to the American people...The only problem is if her was impeached we get Biden as president and that might be worse.

If we hold this standard to every president. Then 98% of American Presidents would be impeached.
 
According to this thread, GWB would have been impeached at least three times..different strokes..

Just curious what did GWB do to warrant impeachment?:confused:
 
Oh come on, you know better than that. They've wanted to impeach him since his first election, they're just grasping at the only the straw they have.

That's the way it's always worked with impeachment. Impeachment is about high crimes and yadda yadda, but really, it was really find the possible bare minimum standard of that and run with it. There is very little that is altruistic about impeachment motions or proceedings.

The most important thing with impeachment hearings is to find an example severe enough to convince your colleagues and a large chunk of the American people that this warrants it. In reality the partisanship defines the proceedings, but you have to find something good to move forward.
 
its more than a lie it is actually classified as fraud and that my dear sir is a felony more then enough grounds for impeachment


Fraud Law & Legal Definition

Fraud is generally defined in the law as an intentional misrepresentation of material existing fact made by one person to another with knowledge of its falsity and for the purpose of inducing the other person to act, and upon which the other person relies with resulting injury or damage. Fraud may also be made by an omission or purposeful failure to state material facts, which nondisclosure makes other statements misleading.

Fraud Law & Legal Definition

under the legal definition of fraud it is an open and shut case against Obama. A 1st year law student could win that case

Call it what you want but i agree that it is.
 
The only politicians lying through their teeth, your disgusting words, are those in Kkongress who came to D.C. to "fix" the problems and work together,, the GOP of NO ..
While I consider the Clinton's impeachment a low point for the GOP (and that means - a very low point indeed), at least there was, as a matter of fact, an "impeachable" offence - lying under oath.

Obama simply did what most politicians do on the daily basis: lied through his teeth, to push through his favorite legislation/subsidy/used car sale, or whatever.
 
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