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Thread: Do You agree with this posterH

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    Re: Do You agree with this posterH

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    When you're unmarried that's precisely what it suggests to most folks. Now thast suggestion may be inaccurate, but more times than not it's dead on.
    Let me get this straight.

    You're saying that most Americans think that unmarried women who take responsibility for their contraceptive health are promiscuous?

    I'd like to see that proven in some way.

    Do you have any evidence that this is the case?

    See, I would suspect that most Americans would simply think that we're talking about women who are generally pretty monogamous but are, nevertheless, sexually active.

    That's the boat that almost all adult women that I know, heck that I've ever known, fall into.

    And unless you're a lunatic fringe fundamentalist Christian conservative, or a Muslim (two peas in a pod in many, many respects), you don't automatically conflate monogamous sexual activity out of wedlock with promiscuousness.
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    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well there is the acne thing and the pill does lessen cramping and periods in general.
    True, but they'd come under the "medical reasons" umbrella, I'd presume.
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    Re: Do You agree with this posterH

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    So, in your view, Ms. Fluke wanted free contraceptives, not because she needed them for some rare medical condition and not because she was having sex, right? Is there a third reason?

    She just wanted free stuff, is that it?
    My suspicion would be that she used contraceptives because she was sexually active.

    Now, how you and Rush Limbaugh spin that into frequent, random, indiscriminate, casual sex (which is to say, "promiscuous" sex) is beyond me.

    You realize, I hope, that it's perfectly possible for a woman to have sex with a single partner, right?

    And the fact that she's using contraceptives is in no way indicative of a promiscuous lifestyle?
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    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: Do You agree with this posterH

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    IIRC, Ms. Fluke did not speak about her needs, she spoke about someone else who needed the pill for medical reasons. Needs prescribed by a doctor.
    She spoke about herself, not being able to get free contraceptives under the Georgetown University Student Health Insurance Plan because the University that, being a Catholic institution, did not support contraception as a matter of religious doctrine, did not include them in their plans.

    When she got rightly called out on it, she changed her story, conveniently.
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    Re: Do You agree with this posterH

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Let me get this straight.

    You're saying that most Americans think that unmarried women who take responsibility for their contraceptive health are promiscuous?

    I'd like to see that proven in some way.

    Do you have any evidence that this is the case?

    See, I would suspect that most Americans would simply think that we're talking about women who are generally pretty monogamous but are, nevertheless, sexually active.

    That's the boat that almost all adult women that I know, heck that I've ever known, fall into.

    And unless you're a lunatic fringe fundamentalist Christian conservative, or a Muslim (two peas in a pod in many, many respects), you don't automatically conflate monogamous sexual activity out of wedlock with promiscuousness.
    We're not talking contraceptives in general really, we're talking about the pill and the term "contraceptive health" is a made up nonsense term to pretty things up. I'd like you to prove folks don't view (again generally) women who are unmarried and take the pill as likely to be promiscuous.

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    Re: Do You agree with this posterH

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    My suspicion would be that she used contraceptives because she was sexually active.

    Now, how you and Rush Limbaugh spin that into frequent, random, indiscriminate, casual sex (which is to say, "promiscuous" sex) is beyond me.

    You realize, I hope, that it's perfectly possible for a woman to have sex with a single partner, right?

    And the fact that she's using contraceptives is in no way indicative of a promiscuous lifestyle?
    Agreed - what makes it questionable is the need to have the government or someone else pay for your contraceptive needs.
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    Re: Do You agree with this posterH

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    She spoke about herself, not being able to get free contraceptives under the Georgetown University Student Health Insurance Plan because the University that, being a Catholic institution, did not support contraception as a matter of religious doctrine, did not include them in their plans.

    When she got rightly called out on it, she changed her story, conveniently.
    Do you have a link?


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    Re: Do You agree with this posterH

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    My opinion as well as many people. Please note those cloture motions began in the beginning, so it has nothing to do with him being a capable President, which he is by the way. It has be documented that several Republicans met to take Obama down.

    Robert Draper Book: GOP's Anti-Obama Campaign Started Night Of Inauguration
    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Show me Democratic politicians conspiring to take down a president then you have something.
    Your premise is astoundingly asinine... and not even worthy of comment other than to point out how totally partisan and puerile it is - as if to suggest Democrats don't conspire at all, don't sit down in meeting after meeting to figure out how to oust ANY Republican, let alone that they never did it for Bush.

    It doesn't even pass the laugh test, being so thoroughly and transparently disingenuous as it is.

    - but I gotta give you kudos for the sheer audacity of the attempt.

    And frankly (I know I'm going to regret this but...), what in the wide, wide world of sports is remotely wrong with Republicans "conspiring" to take down Obama? Seriously, what's wrong with that - especially since virtually EVERY Republican with an ounce of respect for this country has been doing it since his election? Tell me, what's wrong with that? Does it hurt the liberal psyche somehow that people dare oppose them? What? Dare I ask, are you suggesting that opposition to Obama is somehow illegal? If so, this oughta be really, really good...
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    Re: Do You agree with this posterH

    Fire his sorry ass. If Bill O'Reilly tried the same nonsense - I would insist he be fired also.

    Bashar crossed the line and was horribly offensive. He tried to come up with a clever way to insult Palin but he went way way way over the line in doing it.
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    Re: Do You agree with this posterH

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Do you have a link?
    I tried to get the video clip and/or transcripts of her presentation to the National Press Club in February 2012, however, they NPC has deleted any reference to it.
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