View Poll Results: Would you support a single-payer system funded by raising taxes on the very wealthy.

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    Re: Single payer system funded by raising taxes on the richest 1%.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Are you implying that progressives and liberals can only be honest when answering on secret ballots?
    Not all of them. Some are more than happy to tell you to your face that they want wealth redistribution, caps on pay, 90% taxes on the rich, etc. etc. etc..... and all of that funding wonderful infrastructure programs and entitlement programs that make life just... well... dreamy. All that rich people money just going to waste by not taking control of it...

    But yeah, most would rather run buck-nekked through a greenbriar patch than admit it.
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    Re: Single payer system funded by raising taxes on the richest 1%.

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I don't think so. Prior to the ACA 80% of Americans were happy or at least satisified with their insurance and healthcare. Common sense tells me you don't destroy what 80% of the people are happy with. You work something else out for the remaining 20% and leave the 80% alone. I would have rather seen a VA style health care system set up for them.

    It is always best in my book to go straight to the problem, the problem of getting those who do not have health insurance their coverage. No need to mess with those who already have it.

    Anyway, time to pick up the granddaughter from school, I shall return.
    Yet healthcare reform was at or near the top of the list of issues in the 2008 presidential election .. so critical in fact that even republicans had to produce their own plans.

    Medicare for All is the only sane solution. As with Medicare now, no mandate, keep your old plan .. infrastructure already in place, easily understood by users, one of the most popular programs in American history.

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    Re: Single payer system funded by raising taxes on the richest 1%.

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Would you support a single-payer system funded by raising capital gains taxes, corporate taxes and taxes on incomes over 2 million dollars a year? This would essentially mean free basic healthcare for Americans but at the cost of tax hikes on corporations and very wealthy people.
    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    This has been very lopsided so far with no representation from progressives/liberals. That's very puzzling because I know many of them want single-payer systems AND think the rich and corporations need to pay more taxes. Maybe there would have been a better response from the left had I made it an anonymous poll.
    I'm hardly "progressive"/liberal, and while I strongly support single-payer, I vehemently oppose taxing one segment of society to pay for something that everybody benefits from. If everybody is going to benefit, then everybody needs to help pay for it. THAT is fair. Generic comment, but applies here as well.

    Side issue: Even if it did start out as the richest only paying, it would soon spread to everybody anyway. I present the early days of our present income tax as evidence. We are simply incapable of leaving things alone.
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    Re: Single payer system funded by raising taxes on the richest 1%.

    Since it would be a single payer, let them pay for it.

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    Re: Single payer system funded by raising taxes on the richest 1%.

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    For some reason, not many liberals are as honest as you about admitting you want free healthcare paid for by taxing the wealthy. That's too bad.

    To liberals too embarrassed about how they feel about their desire to take from the rich and give to themselves that they should have a long heart to heart come-to-Jesus meeting with their conscience. It's really sad to go through live supporting and espousing things that embarrass you.
    Not sure why liberals/progressives are not responding to the poll, or perhaps they agree with single payer but disagree with only the rich paying for it and would instead have it be a progressive taxation. Since those were the only options, though, I chose the former. For the record, though, I would be more than happy to pay taxes towards single payer, especially since for most people it would cost less than private insurance.
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    Re: Single payer system funded by raising taxes on the richest 1%.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackAsCoal View Post
    Yet healthcare reform was at or near the top of the list of issues in the 2008 presidential election .. so critical in fact that even republicans had to produce their own plans.

    Medicare for All is the only sane solution. As with Medicare now, no mandate, keep your old plan .. infrastructure already in place, easily understood by users, one of the most popular programs in American history.
    Medicare works because the government takes out the premiums prior to sending out the social security checks. They take those premiums out for part B which covers doctors visit. One is not forced to sign up for Medicare part B which is voluntary, but everyone over 65 has part A compliments of the government if they sign up for it, which again is not mandatory. Besides the government has collected the cost of Part A through a lifetime of deducting medicare taxes from ones earnings. So basically one has paid the premiums prior to even becoming eligible for Medicare.

    But there is a problem on the horizon for Medicare patients as the ACA will drop the reimbursement of the approved amount doctors bill medicare from 80 to 60%. This means the supplements ones buys to cover what Medicare doesn't pay for will have to raise their premiums. Then the problem comes in some places of finding a doctor that accepts Medicare. I see more and more signs in doctors offices around here that state they are not taking any new Medicare paitients although they will continue to see their old patients.

    Now when premiums go up on us old folks, watch us howl. Read this article from the New York Times dealing with the 1989 Medicare enhancement that was to be forced on the elderly. It is interesting.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/18/us...it_th_20131118
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    Re: Single payer system funded by raising taxes on the richest 1%.

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Not sure why liberals/progressives are not responding to the poll, or perhaps they agree with single payer but disagree with only the rich paying for it and would instead have it be a progressive taxation.
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    Re: Single payer system funded by raising taxes on the richest 1%.

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Medicare works because the government takes out the premiums prior to sending out the social security checks. They take those premiums out for part B which covers doctors visit. One is not forced to sign up for Medicare part B which is voluntary, but everyone over 65 has part A compliments of the government if they sign up for it, which again is not mandatory. Besides the government has collected the cost of Part A through a lifetime of deducting medicare taxes from ones earnings. So basically one has paid the premiums prior to even becoming eligible for Medicare.

    But there is a problem on the horizon for Medicare patients as the ACA will drop the reimbursement of the approved amount doctors bill medicare from 80 to 60%. This means the supplements ones buys to cover what Medicare doesn't pay for will have to raise their premiums. Then the problem comes in some places of finding a doctor that accepts Medicare. I see more and more signs in doctors offices around here that state they are not taking any new Medicare paitients although they will continue to see their old patients.

    Now when premiums go up on us old folks, watch us howl. Read this article from the New York Times dealing with the 1989 Medicare enhancement that was to be forced on the elderly. It is interesting.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/18/us...it_th_20131118
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    Re: Single payer system funded by raising taxes on the richest 1%.

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Would you support a single-payer system funded by raising capital gains taxes, corporate taxes and taxes on incomes over 2 million dollars a year? This would essentially mean free basic healthcare for Americans but at the cost of tax hikes on corporations and very wealthy people.
    Of course.
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    Re: Single payer system funded by raising taxes on the richest 1%.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Oh, give it time. Soon you'll see some on here who will support distribution, say that it's the rich's "responsibility", and attempt to punish success to suit their own personal goals.

    It boils down to envy. The "rich" do something that they can never do, it pisses them off, and "soaking" them is their version of payback.
    ... doing what the rich do doesn't seem that challenging when the government backs them up whenever they fail or are simply incapable of adjusting or expanding fast enough to be globally competitive.

    I'm hardly "progressive"/liberal, and while I strongly support single-payer, I vehemently oppose taxing one segment of society to pay for something that everybody benefits from. If everybody is going to benefit, then everybody needs to help pay for it. THAT is fair. Generic comment, but applies here as well.

    Side issue: Even if it did start out as the richest only paying, it would soon spread to everybody anyway. I present the early days of our present income tax as evidence. We are simply incapable of leaving things alone.
    We don't live in a world of ideals, we live in the reality of the 21st century United States, where the middle class is slipping into poverty and the rich are getting richer. The entire purpose of this system is to take an expense off the shoulders of the middle class, so that the middle class can spend their hard earned money on something that stimulates the domestic economy (preferably houses).

    Saving the average family $16,000-22,000 a year on health insurance would go a long way to solving the lopsided capital distribution affecting our economy.
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