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    Re: Single payer system funded by raising taxes on the richest 1%.

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    What are you talking about? You have convienced yourself anyone that does not agree with you is evil and just wants to take rich people's money. There are very few and if any were here I am sure they would be happy to tell you about it. I seriously doubt they are afraid to pipe up.
    Right. The freestuffers are always open and honest about their desire to eat the rich. In some other universe, of course, because here in the United States of America, they will only beat around the bush about it, demonizing the wealthy, demonizing capitalism, demonizing corporations while demanding everything from single-payer systems to ridiculous minimum wages, all the while fighting to raise the taxes on the rich while NOT raising taxes on themselves. When the "Bush tax cuts" expired, all of a sudden, the lefties realized it wasn't just "Tax breaks for the wealthy" because they stomped their feet and demanded that they ONLY expire for the wealthy but make THEIR OWN tax breaks permanent.

    What do you call a thief that's too lazy and cowardly to do their own stealing? You call them a liberal.
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    Re: Single payer system funded by raising taxes on the richest 1%.

    Do you think everyone that disagrees with you politically is a "freestuffer?"
    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Right. The freestuffers are always open and honest about their desire to eat the rich. In some other universe, of course, because here in the United States of America, they will only beat around the bush about it, demonizing the wealthy, demonizing capitalism, demonizing corporations while demanding everything from single-payer systems to ridiculous minimum wages, all the while fighting to raise the taxes on the rich while NOT raising taxes on themselves. When the "Bush tax cuts" expired, all of a sudden, the lefties realized it wasn't just "Tax breaks for the wealthy" because they stomped their feet and demanded that they ONLY expire for the wealthy but make THEIR OWN tax breaks permanent.

    What do you call a thief that's too lazy and cowardly to do their own stealing? You call them a liberal.
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    Re: Single payer system funded by raising taxes on the richest 1%.

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Do you think everyone that disagrees with you politically is a "freestuffer?"
    No. But I can guarantee you that all freestuffers disagree with me politically.
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    Re: Single payer system funded by raising taxes on the richest 1%.

    You are right about that.
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    No. But I can guarantee you that all freestuffers disagree with me politically.
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    Re: Single payer system funded by raising taxes on the richest 1%.

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Would you support a single-payer system funded by raising capital gains taxes, corporate taxes and taxes on incomes over 2 million dollars a year? This would essentially mean free basic healthcare for Americans but at the cost of tax hikes on corporations and very wealthy people.
    Take it from someone who lives it. Single payer healthcare in Canada costs our government about 50% of every dollar in revenue the government at the federal and provincial levels takes in currently, and even with that services and programs are being delisted from the system on a yearly basis. In Ontario, not only does a large percentage of our income and consumption taxes go to fund healthcare, we also have people paying a health care "premium" of upwards of $1,000 to supplement the rising costs of healthcare.

    And the above doesn't take into account the significant segment of the economy spent on the provision of employer funded supplemental insurance and individual payment of supplemental insurance plans.

    I'd wager that if you confiscated all the incomes of the richest 1%, you wouldn't have enough to fund a single payer healthcare system worth crap in the US.

    Besides, why do people think maintaining their own health shouldn't cost them personally?
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    Re: Single payer system funded by raising taxes on the richest 1%.

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I am all for a one payer system, but I do think we should all contribute to our own healthcare.
    Including the poor?
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    Re: Single payer system funded by raising taxes on the richest 1%.

    Notice "all."
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    Including the poor?
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    Re: Single payer system funded by raising taxes on the richest 1%.

    EVERYONE must contribute, but there must be skilled "overseeage" to prevent waste and fraud...and it must be a lot better than I have seen in the private sector..
    The wealthy can afford it and I will not protect them as so many here have...
    I'd say that we have no shortages of Scrooges...

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    Re: Single payer system funded by raising taxes on the richest 1%.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Take it from someone who lives it. Single payer healthcare in Canada costs our government about 50% of every dollar in revenue the government at the federal and provincial levels takes in currently, and even with that services and programs are being delisted from the system on a yearly basis. In Ontario, not only does a large percentage of our income and consumption taxes go to fund healthcare, we also have people paying a health care "premium" of upwards of $1,000 to supplement the rising costs of healthcare.

    And the above doesn't take into account the significant segment of the economy spent on the provision of employer funded supplemental insurance and individual payment of supplemental insurance plans.

    I'd wager that if you confiscated all the incomes of the richest 1%, you wouldn't have enough to fund a single payer healthcare system worth crap in the US.

    Besides, why do people think maintaining their own health shouldn't cost them personally?
    I do think that it's your life and your health and your responsibility and that this goes for everyone. It was the opinions of others that I was seeking. And, of course, thank you for sharing yours.

    While I think a single-payer system might not be such a bad thing if it was bare-bones very basic healthcare with no TORT issues and the low-cost a properly rationed system should have...... but that's not what it would end up being. My opinion is that it's our life, liberty and pursuit of happiness at stake and, therefore, we should decide how many hours of our life we should spend toiling for the sake of health care that might either extend our life or make it more comfortable. It's our work/life balance to manage and our work/life balance that should concern us and that means our work and our life, not our life and other peoples' work.
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    Re: Single payer system funded by raising taxes on the richest 1%.

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Would you support a single-payer system funded by raising capital gains taxes, corporate taxes and taxes on incomes over 2 million dollars a year? This would essentially mean free basic healthcare for Americans but at the cost of tax hikes on corporations and very wealthy people.
    Raise the money ?
    YES
    Free health care ?
    NO
    Simply make it affordable for the working man !
    So, I do not think the tax increase would be that much....they will cry anyway...as do little children...

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