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    Re: Does the US First Amendment apply equally to all religions in the US or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I know that there is a lot of interpretation and that "Accepted" religions often preach hate... but none practice human or animal sacrifice or have true hate messages. I think the Southern Baptist ones that protest outside soldiers funerals should not qualify as a religion. If a church or group starts doing stuff like that they should have their credentials revoked.
    That is why I asked about so simple a definition you gave- first voodoo is accepted and does sacrifice animals- that mainstreet America doesn't have the First Voodoo Church of the Holy Redeemer doesn't mean it isn't accepted.

    That is slippery slope you start down when you start selecting churches because of a freedom of speech issue- Burn a Quran or burn a Bible? Hide pedophile priests throughout the Church system- more than just an isolated parish or priest- should the Holy Mother Church be stripped of it's tax exempt status due to wholesale conspiracy to protest pedophiles in Holy Garb?

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    Re: Does the US First Amendment apply equally to all religions in the US or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Misanthrope View Post
    I note you said "most of the Old Testament," not all of it. If the NT contains all "decent" but frightened people need for "salvation," why do Christians bother with some of the OT? And do you wanna state what parts of the OT are valid? I can understand if you demure, I mean you don't wanna risk incurring the wrath of some of the 30,000 odd brands of Christianity that infest the U.S, do you!?
    God created man, thus God is the parent of mankind. Like children, when young, mankind needed stricter rules and discipline from God. As mankind matured, man did not need as strict of guidance from God. But just like a parent, though some rules change as a child matures, some core rules remain. The Old Testament is a document of Christianities history, but also contains those core rules that did not change when Christ created a new covenant with man.

    The Ten Commandments still apply, but dietary restrictions do not. If you want to learn even more, go find a Pastor or Biblical Scholar and a proper place to go into that level of detail.
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    Re: Does the US First Amendment apply equally to all religions in the US or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Misanthrope View Post
    Why? Are aborigines personae non gratae here?
    You just sound angry and like you have an agenda... that's all.
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    Re: Does the US First Amendment apply equally to all religions in the US or not?

    yes of course it does it allows all religions the same protections and those protections end at infringing on others rights and breaking of certain level laws.
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    Re: Does the US First Amendment apply equally to all religions in the US or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    God created man, thus God is the parent of mankind. Like children, when young, mankind needed stricter rules and discipline from God. As mankind matured, man did not need as strict of guidance from God. But just like a parent, though some rules change as a child matures, some core rules remain. The Old Testament is a document of Christianities history, but also contains those core rules that did not change when Christ created a new covenant with man.

    The Ten Commandments still apply, but dietary restrictions do not. If you want to learn even more, go find a Pastor or Biblical Scholar and a proper place to go into that level of detail.
    All the above is strictly your view/interpretation not those of Jesus, the deputy (to his Dad) authority of what is unchangeable Scripture, of course. If I were to put the same questions to ten Christians I would most likely get ten different versions to your exposition, all of which would also be just hazarding a guess about a absolutely crucial part of the Bible.

    I'm sure you won't mind that, in lieu of Daddy God's binding ruling on the subject, if I stick with the fabled Jesus on this score, who allegedly said of the OT
    Truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth come to an end, not the smallest letter or part of a letter will in any way be taken from the law, (i.e. the OT of his father) till all things are done.

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    Re: Does the US First Amendment apply equally to all religions in the US or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You just sound angry and like you have an agenda... that's all.
    I do, I hate religions, especially Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. And if I were an aborigine I would have a dead set justifiable agenda!

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    Re: Does the US First Amendment apply equally to all religions in the US or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I wasn't going to post in this thread but this is the key phrase for me. If a religion or a practice within a religion (any religion) breaks a law like equality / criminal damage / drug abuse / child abuse etc etc then that facet should be subjugate to criminal law (at the very least).
    The issue here is essentially that ultimatly rights conflict.

    You have a right to assemble. Someone else has a right to property. ULTIMATELY, there's the potential that those two rights can come into conflict with each other. Some form of resolution generally needs to exist. The basic theory, to my understanding, under our legal system is that the person making an affirmative action that directly interfere's wiupon another persons right is the person whose able to be infringed upon to a degree by the government.

    So you're able to assemble and the other person is able to have his property. The government is allowed to make laws limiting your ability to assemble ON his private porperty, because your right to assemble doesn't allow you to affirmatively ioverrule the other persons right to his property.

    In the case of something like religious human sacrifices or child abuse, I think you again run into the issue where someones right to practice their religion butts up against someone selses right to life and creates a situation where there needs to be a mediator to determine which right has "supremacy" in such a case.

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    Re: Does the US First Amendment apply equally to all religions in the US or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The issue here is essentially that ultimatly rights conflict.

    You have a right to assemble. Someone else has a right to property. ULTIMATELY, there's the potential that those two rights can come into conflict with each other. Some form of resolution generally needs to exist. The basic theory, to my understanding, under our legal system is that the person making an affirmative action that directly interfere's wiupon another persons right is the person whose able to be infringed upon to a degree by the government.

    So you're able to assemble and the other person is able to have his property. The government is allowed to make laws limiting your ability to assemble ON his private porperty, because your right to assemble doesn't allow you to affirmatively ioverrule the other persons right to his property.

    In the case of something like religious human sacrifices or child abuse, I think you again run into the issue where someones right to practice their religion butts up against someone selses right to life and creates a situation where there needs to be a mediator to determine which right has "supremacy" in such a case.
    Try telling a fair dinkum Christian that a secular mediator trumps his schizophrenic God(s)!

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    Re: Does the US First Amendment apply equally to all religions in the US or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Please enlighten this USofA citizen- which religions don't get the same 'freedoms'???

    A religion devoted to human sacrifice doesn't get a great deal of religious freedom in this country....
    No one informed Planned Parenthood...


    I'm just sayin....

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    Re: Does the US First Amendment apply equally to all religions in the US or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Is the intolerance written into the bible like it is the Quran? If so, please, go ahead and post passage and verse. I admit, on the Quran I am going by what has been reported and claimed, even by Muslims to be there.
    ".....Woman with “familiar spirits” must be stoned to death. Leviticus 20:27

    “Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.” Exodus 22:18



    Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:


    You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

    Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

    Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

    Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

    Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

    Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

    Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

    Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5



    Ignorance is bliss. Christians should not practice free inquiry nor socialize with non Christians:


    Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 John 1:10

    Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17

    Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8



    Judge other religions for not following Christ:

    Whoever denies “that Jesus is the Christ” is a liar and an anti-Christ. 1 John 2:22

    Christians are “of God;” everyone else is wicked. 1 John 5:19

    The non-Christian is “a deceiver and an anti-Christ” 2 John 1:7

    Anyone who doesn’t share Paul’s beliefs has “an evil heart.” Hebrews 3:12

    False Jews are members of “the synagogue of Satan.” Revelations 2:9, 3:9



    Here are my two personal favorites:

    Everyone will have to worship Jesus -- whether they want to or not. Philippians 2:10

    A Christian can not be accused of any wrongdoing. Romans 8:33.............."

    Biblical Intolerance

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