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    Do You Trust the Government to Get Things Right?

    Watching the movie "Miracle on 42nd Street" I was struck by the climax scene in which the US Post Office was lauded as an institution that always gets it right. Since they delivered mail addressed to Santa Claus to the fellow on trial then that fellow must indeed be Santa, the judge concludes.

    The men back then all wore hats and the women all wore gloves, but the trust they had for the government and its institutions was the most striking of the anachronisms on display in that movie.

    From then to now it has been a steady course of degeneration, not only of the trust in government but of all sorts of institutions.

    Neither the left nor the right trusts government these days. Some on the left think that the Pentagon shot a passenger jet down with a guided missile, executed the inside job known as 9-11, framed a football player for killing his wife, engineered the assassination of JFK, and on and on. Some on the right think that their tax monies are mostly wasted, that green projects are scams, that climate change is a scam. And some from both sides think that their democracy is manipulated by powerful interests.

    Nevertheless, there is a marked asymmetry in reliance that the left and right have on government.

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    Re: Do You Trust the Government to Get Things Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Watching the movie "Miracle on 42nd Street" I was struck by the climax scene in which the US Post Office was lauded as an institution that always gets it right. Since they delivered mail addressed to Santa Claus to the fellow on trial then that fellow must indeed be Santa, the judge concludes.

    The men back then all wore hats and the women all wore gloves, but the trust they had for the government and its institutions was the most striking of the anachronisms on display in that movie.

    From then to now it has been a steady course of degeneration, not only of the trust in government but of all sorts of institutions.

    Neither the left nor the right trusts government these days. Some on the left think that the Pentagon shot a passenger jet down with a guided missile, executed the inside job known as 9-11, framed a football player for killing his wife, engineered the assassination of JFK, and on and on. Some on the right think that their tax monies are mostly wasted, that green projects are scams, that climate change is a scam. And some from both sides think that their democracy is manipulated by powerful interests.

    Nevertheless, there is a marked asymmetry in reliance that the left and right have on government.
    Miracle on 42nd Street. I imagine there have always been kooks that don't trust their government. These kooks just have more opportunities to communicate today. Their message may seem loud but that doesn't make it normal.

    Look at the barrage of congressmen, senators and even local politicians that repeatedly get re-elected. I think people trust their government today. The silent majority have no recent to complain. The losing side is really pissed off because they are losing. They usually end up making the most noise.

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    Re: Do You Trust the Government to Get Things Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post

    The men back then all wore hats and the women all wore gloves, but the trust they had for the government and its institutions was the most striking of the anachronisms on display in that movie.
    That is actually a really great way of putting it. The public's trust in the government has definately waned in recent years (recent to me is relative, I'm speaking recent as in the 50s), and I think it rally has had an impact on whether we can really trust the institution of elected officials.
    I've always had the thought that people are elected, promising to enact change and create the govenment into a trustworthy body of people, but seemingly fail when they must accord with an arbitrary line in the sand.

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    Re: Do You Trust the Government to Get Things Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    .Nevertheless, there is a marked asymmetry in reliance that the left and right have on government.
    Generally, I trust government with things we want to have less of: crime, pollution, foreign aggressions...Coercive force has its uses. With things we want more of, I'd rather rely on the markets and voluntary associations within the society.
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    Re: Do You Trust the Government to Get Things Right?

    so i voted no but really its more of a in somethings than no. Consider that for every screw up we hear about there are hundreds for laws that go through congress.

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    Re: Do You Trust the Government to Get Things Right?

    Get things right is a tough one. For me no, but if it's to transfer wealth from hard working successful people to low life scum that won't bother trying ...yeah they'll probably succeed.

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    Re: Do You Trust the Government to Get Things Right?

    Our federal gov't may be getting bigger and it may be getting slower but it sure is getting expensive.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Do You Trust the Government to Get Things Right?

    I guess if I look to the past I can see the government doesn't usually do the right thing. They waste to much, and all to often try to legislate by idioligy not sanity.

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    Re: Do You Trust the Government to Get Things Right?

    A government is comprised of people. The trustworthiness of any group is just about the people in it. Fill the government with trustworthy people, and it will be a trustworthy institution. Of course, how we shape such an institution affects what sort of people will be a part of it. Right now, it's a stepping stone to personal gain and lucrative deals with private interests. Change the rules, and patriots will flock to serve their country.
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    Re: Do You Trust the Government to Get Things Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    A government is comprised of people. The trustworthiness of any group is just about the people in it. Fill the government with trustworthy people, and it will be a trustworthy institution. Of course, how we shape such an institution affects what sort of people will be a part of it. Right now, it's a stepping stone to personal gain and lucrative deals with private interests. Change the rules, and patriots will flock to serve their country.
    Yes, subtract out private interests, capitalists, and things will be all rainbows and moonbeams, like the old Soviet Union, where commissars and apparatchiks were ferried about in limousines, went to special medical clinics, shopped in exclusive stores, and spent their vacations in special dachas on the Black Sea. No private interests there, yet the operatives of the state developed their own class interests to the detriment of everyone else anyway. Such patriots they were!

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