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Send help to the Philippines ?

Should we send help to the Philippines

  • Yes, we should send help at the expense of more money to our dept

    Votes: 23 76.7%
  • No, we should be trying to lower the dept instead

    Votes: 3 10.0%
  • Maybe, i like the idea of helping, but we should find an alternate means if here is one

    Votes: 4 13.3%

  • Total voters
    30
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Ok so i'm all for helping people out, but the fact that we are sending 20 million dollars to help them got me thinking. Where was the money coming from? Now I could only think of two places. One, taxes. 2. We're borrowing it. Now if everything was OK in America I would say go for it, they need it. BUT EVERYTHING IS NOT ALRIGHT PEOPLE! We are 17 billion dollars in dept. Every tax payer in America currently would have to pay 149 thousand dollars to take us out of dept nationally on top of what individual owe, and the government keeps spending! We shouldn't be trying to stabilize other economy's, we should be trying to stabilize our own, scrapping together every penny we can get to start shoving that number back! And when we think "Oh penny's don't matter the dept increase by hundreds of dollars a second," well consider that every penny we shove that dept back, that's another penny our kids and grand kids and great grand kids wont have to pay. And people, 20 million dollars is not a couple of penny's. When you realize that about 48 cents out of the dollar is borrowed, we just shoved our dept up about 9.6 million dollars. Is a recovering country going to help us pay that back? I don't think so. I highly doubt it in any case. In case your wondering if any of these numbers are crap, here's a real time dept clock to back me up. So should we send it? Sorry but i say no

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
People are hypocrites, they would have voted very differently in your poll if the money would have to come out directly out of their pockets, so they could not even scroll down to your 3rd choice, because they are sure that someone else is paying that tax money. stupidity for which they as a society themselves will pay.
 
I would say yes, but then again I also think it should be up to us citizens to send personal aid and physically go on aid trips to also help out the Philippines. We shouldn't depend on our government for philanthropy.
 
Me, Me, send Me, LBFMs and San Miguel beer. woot.

LBFM's, now I hadn't heard that in quite a long, long time. You my friend have either been stationed in the Phillipines or on the mainland of SEA or Southeast Asia. I last heard LBFM's in Laos.
 
The amount spent on humanitarian operations like this are negligible compared to annual spending let alone our deficit and debt. It is in the interests of the United States to maintain a positive influence in the world, as well as being a frank part of our common humanity. Provincialism is the road to turmoil.

Positive influence... you mean like us policing half of the world and just making people who hate us hate us more instead of trying to make allies?
 
Positive influence... you mean like us policing half of the world and just making people who hate us hate us more instead of trying to make allies?

What are you talking about? This is about dispatching food and medicine to distressed human beings. I was merely commenting on the fact that our doing good like this has utility beyond its admittedly laudable moral objectives. Not everything has to descend into the over-used world police trope.
 
People are hypocrites, they would have voted very differently in your poll if the money would have to come out directly out of their pockets, so they could not even scroll down to your 3rd choice, because they are sure that someone else is paying that tax money. stupidity for which they as a society themselves will pay.

That is true of everything its part of why we have a government and a common pool of funds in the first place. Sheesh.
 
Bitter much. These people have ended up with absolutely nothing. Zero. We will always have money for humanitarian needs of a people that have done nothing to us.

But will they? people one day china's going to call our tab and we are in no position to pay them off. Will all of those country's that we have spent money stabilizing send money in our hour of need? will our "friends" stand and help? i doubt it
 
That is true of everything its part of why we have a government and a common pool of funds in the first place. Sheesh.
The third option. no one read it and I am the only one who voted it. the idea of just sending money instead of doing something is the mother of all that is fd up with US in the first place. and these 15 voters prove my point beyond the shadow of the doubt. I am proud to be the only one who voted a third option. oh and it just happens to be I am a working man.

Oh and just one more thing. my wifes family is in Cebu/Toledo/Bato - and this tragedy was VERY close to them and where I spent the winter couple of years ago. but it does not change reality.
 
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You're too late-the money and the help is already there or it's on the way.

Be that as that may be but they have called the 20 mill a "start". i understand we cant take back that money, but why should we suffer to loose say another 20 mill, or maybe this time it will be 40 or 50 million.
 
What are you talking about? This is about dispatching food and medicine to distressed human beings. I was merely commenting on the fact that our doing good like this has utility beyond its admittedly laudable moral objectives. Not everything has to descend into the over-used world police trope.

Doesn't it? is that not the way we bring our influence around the world? yes we do it by sending help like this but we also have the military perspective. Hell we send the military on help outs to keep looting down and to hand out food. we cant even help without showing off our military.
 
The third option. no one read it and I am the only one who voted it. the idea of just sending money instead of doing something is the mother of all that is fd up with US in the first place. and these 15 voters prove my point beyond the shadow of the doubt. I am proud to be the only one who voted a third option. oh and it just happens to be I am a working man.

Oh and just one more thing. my wifes family is in Cebu/Toledo/Bato - and this tragedy was VERY close to them and where I spent the winter couple of years ago. but it does not change reality.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.
 
When your neighbours house is on fire you don't haggle over the cost of your garden hose.

$20 million and any aid to follow is a drop in the bucket.

Acceptable argument. Did I at least get a decent grammar grade.
 
I don't understand what you are trying to say.
government aside, people are hypocrites not to even scroll down to a third option and vote "just send money even though we don't have it"
 
We need to help others when we can. We have the ability to in this case, Dollars in aid should equal at least dollars spent to create US jobs though. Send them goods made here to help them out, don't send them money.

I'm sure it seems hard to get this concept when our government has awarded contracts to other countries trying to save a buck, but some spending (aid) does create US jobs. Does it create as many as many jobs as if the money were left in the private sector? I doubt it, but that is something neither of us can prove on either side.
 
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Ok so i'm all for helping people out, but the fact that we are sending 20 million dollars to help them got me thinking. Where was the money coming from? Now I could only think of two places. One, taxes. 2. We're borrowing it. Now if everything was OK in America I would say go for it, they need it. BUT EVERYTHING IS NOT ALRIGHT PEOPLE! We are 17 billion dollars in dept. Every tax payer in America currently would have to pay 149 thousand dollars to take us out of dept nationally on top of what individual owe, and the government keeps spending! We shouldn't be trying to stabilize other economy's, we should be trying to stabilize our own, scrapping together every penny we can get to start shoving that number back! And when we think "Oh penny's don't matter the dept increase by hundreds of dollars a second," well consider that every penny we shove that dept back, that's another penny our kids and grand kids and great grand kids wont have to pay. And people, 20 million dollars is not a couple of penny's. When you realize that about 48 cents out of the dollar is borrowed, we just shoved our dept up about 9.6 million dollars. Is a recovering country going to help us pay that back? I don't think so. I highly doubt it in any case. In case your wondering if any of these numbers are crap, here's a real time dept clock to back me up. So should we send it? Sorry but i say no

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Somebody has forgotten the near global support we got after 9-11.

Oh, and "debt."
 
LBFM's, now I hadn't heard that in quite a long, long time. You my friend have either been stationed in the Phillipines or on the mainland of SEA or Southeast Asia. I last heard LBFM's in Laos.

Stationed at Kadena, 7 1/2 years total, not for sure how many trips to Clarke before it closed.

I diverted there once, gave a kid at the fence $20 for some flip flops, jams and a flour sack shirt. Told him to keep the change so he asked me if I needed a date, his sister was free for the night.
 
Stationed at Kadena, 7 1/2 years total, not for sure how many trips to Clarke before it closed.

I diverted there once, gave a kid at the fence $20 for some flip flops, jams and a flour sack shirt. Told him to keep the change so he asked me if I needed a date, his sister was free for the night.

Sound kind of familiar in my much younger days.
 
Somebody has forgotten the near global support we got after 9-11.

Oh, and "debt."

9-11 was a terrorist attack that killed 2 thousand people. Now im grateful for their help, but how many of those country's that stood up to help us were 16 trillion in debt? answer:none. you cant compare our situation right now with 9-11 because they are in completely different ball parks
 
9-11 was a terrorist attack that killed 2 thousand people.

Three thousand.

Now im grateful for their help, but how many of those country's that stood up to help us were 16 trillion in debt? answer:none. you cant compare our situation right now with 9-11 because they are in completely different ball parks

Everybody's wallets are tight. But as someone else already said, when your house is on fire you don't bitch about the cost of a garden hose.
 
9-11 was a terrorist attack that killed 2 thousand people. Now im grateful for their help, but how many of those country's that stood up to help us were 16 trillion in debt? answer:none. you cant compare our situation right now with 9-11 because they are in completely different ball parks
I'm not at all sure, but I think it likely that it you look at our debt in the context of what percentage of our GDP it equals, many countries around the world are in worse shape than we.

Or at least some.

We can just take more dead before running into major issues, before we implode or whatever.
 
9-11 was a terrorist attack that killed 2 thousand people. Now im grateful for their help, but how many of those country's that stood up to help us were 16 trillion in debt? answer:none. you cant compare our situation right now with 9-11 because they are in completely different ball parks

When NATO sent their E-3A component to the US immediately following 9/11. The crews came from 16 different countries, including Greece, Portugal, Turkey and other financially strapped nations. Our debt is because we won't kick lazy people in the balls and make them do something. Saving people from a disaster, especially a country that didn't have very good infrastructure before hand and where our so called "poor" would qualify as upper middle class, is a much better use of our money and credit than more handouts to libbo scum.
 
People are hypocrites, they would have voted very differently in your poll if the money would have to come out directly out of their pockets, so they could not even scroll down to your 3rd choice, because they are sure that someone else is paying that tax money. stupidity for which they as a society themselves will pay.

You're a douche. I've given money independently in two ways: Independent donation, and adjusted my annual sponsorship to a Filipino. I'm sure others on here who bothered to answer this stupid question have acted in similar fashion. So, speak for yourself and crawl back into that cave from which you came.
 
When NATO sent their E-3A component to the US immediately following 9/11. The crews came from 16 different countries, including Greece, Portugal, Turkey and other financially strapped nations. Our debt is because we won't kick lazy people in the balls and make them do something. Saving people from a disaster, especially a country that didn't have very good infrastructure before hand and where our so called "poor" would qualify as upper middle class, is a much better use of our money and credit than more handouts to libbo scum.
In my mind, the problem is not handouts themselves, but continued handouts.

There needs to be a system whereby "handouts" actually become the safety net they're supposed to be, rather than the cocoon they currently are.
 
When NATO sent their E-3A component to the US immediately following 9/11. The crews came from 16 different countries, including Greece, Portugal, Turkey and other financially strapped nations. Our debt is because we won't kick lazy people in the balls and make them do something. Saving people from a disaster, especially a country that didn't have very good infrastructure before hand and where our so called "poor" would qualify as upper middle class, is a much better use of our money and credit than more handouts to libbo scum.
Is it our fault they are 3rd world country's? you say we are lazy but what about them. If they wanted change then they could get change. Look at Syria, look at Egypt and Libya. They might not have been 3rd world country's and maybe not the Philippines either but the rebels in those country's saw a problem and they rose to fix it. If the Philippines doesn't show the same determination to take them self's out of that category is it really our fault?

Can you tell me that that money wouldn't be perhaps better used in our economy, say in the private sector where it could produce jobs and revenue and get those people working. How can we get them to work if there IS NO JOBS!? Its like trying to start a car with no keys. You can do it, but it would be a lot easier if you had the keys.

I'm not saying don't help country's, just let people take the initiative and donate money to help, not take 20 million dollars (as a start!) out of the government and just give it away when most of that is borrowed money. We cannot afford just to give away money when we are trying to rub two penny's together and not getting a third.
 
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