View Poll Results: Should we send help to the Philippines

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  • Yes, we should send help at the expense of more money to our dept

    24 68.57%
  • No, we should be trying to lower the dept instead

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  • Maybe, i like the idea of helping, but we should find an alternate means if here is one

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    Re: Send help to the Philippines ?

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
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    Ok so i'm all for helping people out, but the fact that we are sending 20 million dollars to help them got me thinking. Where was the money coming from? Now I could only think of two places. One, taxes. 2. We're borrowing it. Now if everything was OK in America I would say go for it, they need it. BUT EVERYTHING IS NOT ALRIGHT PEOPLE! We are 17 billion dollars in dept. Every tax payer in America currently would have to pay 149 thousand dollars to take us out of dept nationally on top of what individual owe, and the government keeps spending! We shouldn't be trying to stabilize other economy's, we should be trying to stabilize our own, scrapping together every penny we can get to start shoving that number back! And when we think "Oh penny's don't matter the dept increase by hundreds of dollars a second," well consider that every penny we shove that dept back, that's another penny our kids and grand kids and great grand kids wont have to pay. And people, 20 million dollars is not a couple of penny's. When you realize that about 48 cents out of the dollar is borrowed, we just shoved our dept up about 9.6 million dollars. Is a recovering country going to help us pay that back? I don't think so. I highly doubt it in any case. In case your wondering if any of these numbers are crap, here's a real time dept clock to back me up. So should we send it? Sorry but i say no

    U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
    Somebody has forgotten the near global support we got after 9-11.

    Oh, and "debt."

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    Re: Send help to the Philippines ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    LBFM's, now I hadn't heard that in quite a long, long time. You my friend have either been stationed in the Phillipines or on the mainland of SEA or Southeast Asia. I last heard LBFM's in Laos.
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    Re: Send help to the Philippines ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Stationed at Kadena, 7 1/2 years total, not for sure how many trips to Clarke before it closed.

    I diverted there once, gave a kid at the fence $20 for some flip flops, jams and a flour sack shirt. Told him to keep the change so he asked me if I needed a date, his sister was free for the night.
    Sound kind of familiar in my much younger days.
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    Re: Send help to the Philippines ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Somebody has forgotten the near global support we got after 9-11.

    Oh, and "debt."
    9-11 was a terrorist attack that killed 2 thousand people. Now im grateful for their help, but how many of those country's that stood up to help us were 16 trillion in debt? answer:none. you cant compare our situation right now with 9-11 because they are in completely different ball parks

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    Re: Send help to the Philippines ?

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    9-11 was a terrorist attack that killed 2 thousand people.
    Three thousand.

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    Now im grateful for their help, but how many of those country's that stood up to help us were 16 trillion in debt? answer:none. you cant compare our situation right now with 9-11 because they are in completely different ball parks
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    Re: Send help to the Philippines ?

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    9-11 was a terrorist attack that killed 2 thousand people. Now im grateful for their help, but how many of those country's that stood up to help us were 16 trillion in debt? answer:none. you cant compare our situation right now with 9-11 because they are in completely different ball parks
    I'm not at all sure, but I think it likely that it you look at our debt in the context of what percentage of our GDP it equals, many countries around the world are in worse shape than we.

    Or at least some.

    We can just take more dead before running into major issues, before we implode or whatever.
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    Re: Send help to the Philippines ?

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    9-11 was a terrorist attack that killed 2 thousand people. Now im grateful for their help, but how many of those country's that stood up to help us were 16 trillion in debt? answer:none. you cant compare our situation right now with 9-11 because they are in completely different ball parks
    When NATO sent their E-3A component to the US immediately following 9/11. The crews came from 16 different countries, including Greece, Portugal, Turkey and other financially strapped nations. Our debt is because we won't kick lazy people in the balls and make them do something. Saving people from a disaster, especially a country that didn't have very good infrastructure before hand and where our so called "poor" would qualify as upper middle class, is a much better use of our money and credit than more handouts to libbo scum.
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    Re: Send help to the Philippines ?

    Quote Originally Posted by pvsi View Post
    People are hypocrites, they would have voted very differently in your poll if the money would have to come out directly out of their pockets, so they could not even scroll down to your 3rd choice, because they are sure that someone else is paying that tax money. stupidity for which they as a society themselves will pay.
    You're a douche. I've given money independently in two ways: Independent donation, and adjusted my annual sponsorship to a Filipino. I'm sure others on here who bothered to answer this stupid question have acted in similar fashion. So, speak for yourself and crawl back into that cave from which you came.

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    Re: Send help to the Philippines ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    When NATO sent their E-3A component to the US immediately following 9/11. The crews came from 16 different countries, including Greece, Portugal, Turkey and other financially strapped nations. Our debt is because we won't kick lazy people in the balls and make them do something. Saving people from a disaster, especially a country that didn't have very good infrastructure before hand and where our so called "poor" would qualify as upper middle class, is a much better use of our money and credit than more handouts to libbo scum.
    In my mind, the problem is not handouts themselves, but continued handouts.

    There needs to be a system whereby "handouts" actually become the safety net they're supposed to be, rather than the cocoon they currently are.
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    Re: Send help to the Philippines ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    When NATO sent their E-3A component to the US immediately following 9/11. The crews came from 16 different countries, including Greece, Portugal, Turkey and other financially strapped nations. Our debt is because we won't kick lazy people in the balls and make them do something. Saving people from a disaster, especially a country that didn't have very good infrastructure before hand and where our so called "poor" would qualify as upper middle class, is a much better use of our money and credit than more handouts to libbo scum.
    Is it our fault they are 3rd world country's? you say we are lazy but what about them. If they wanted change then they could get change. Look at Syria, look at Egypt and Libya. They might not have been 3rd world country's and maybe not the Philippines either but the rebels in those country's saw a problem and they rose to fix it. If the Philippines doesn't show the same determination to take them self's out of that category is it really our fault?

    Can you tell me that that money wouldn't be perhaps better used in our economy, say in the private sector where it could produce jobs and revenue and get those people working. How can we get them to work if there IS NO JOBS!? Its like trying to start a car with no keys. You can do it, but it would be a lot easier if you had the keys.

    I'm not saying don't help country's, just let people take the initiative and donate money to help, not take 20 million dollars (as a start!) out of the government and just give it away when most of that is borrowed money. We cannot afford just to give away money when we are trying to rub two penny's together and not getting a third.
    Last edited by JJB3333; 11-16-13 at 12:15 AM.

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