View Poll Results: Should we send help to the Philippines

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  • No, we should be trying to lower the dept instead

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  • Maybe, i like the idea of helping, but we should find an alternate means if here is one

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Thread: Send help to the Philippines ?

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    Re: Send help to the Philippines ?

    We will and we should. We give hundreds of millions to Pakistan. Look what they do with it.

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    Re: Send help to the Philippines ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    No, I choose to question why this is possible without any change in the law. How much is allocated (if any) for giving away to foreign nations "just in case" things happen and what happens if no such case comes up? All I ask is under what legal budget authority can the federal gov't spend money? I am sure that "every dime" is carefully allocated on paper, so to pay X you must not pay Y.
    It falls under several intersecting categories.

    1. The first is the authorization for military expenditure. We have already paid the cost of maintaining our fleets, armies, and associated formations. How they are dispatched, maneuvered, and used in a non-military fashion has always been the discretion of the President since the earliest days of the Republic. Barring exceptional circumstances that would necessitate asking for more funds for military operations (as some speculated might be needed for Syria) this is a decision that can be made unilaterally by the President without needed further funds.

    2. The Office of Foreign Disaster Assistance (OFDA) is a sub-unit within USAID and has an annual budget of $1.0-$1.2 billion this is the most commonly used vehicle for delivering emergency funds or purchasing humanitarian supplies.

    3. A host of other funds, budgets, and the like from similar programs that have flexible spending mandates. For example the DoD Security Assistance Fund has shifted money from security programs to emergency relief in the past (a la Pakistan), the USDA food assistance program has re-apportioned money for emergency needs (a la the recent Somali famine fears), Migration and Refugee Assistance will divert funds to cover contingencies like the Indian Tsunami, etc.

    4. Finally the President may sometimes (though its rare its necessary) seek additional funds from Congress. He also has the power through the Treasury to guarantee loans (I think) without Congressional permission.
    Last edited by Sherman123; 11-15-13 at 04:47 PM.

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    Re: Send help to the Philippines ?

    I don't see why the US gov ( taxpayers) should ever send money in events like this. As we speak Filipino immigrants are mounting drives to send money home and any US citizen is free to donate all they want. I don't like the government putting the nation further in debt for this and if I want to donate I will. I resent mandatory donations.

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    Re: Send help to the Philippines ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    We will and we should. We give hundreds of millions to Pakistan. Look what they do with it.
    I disagree.

    We shouldn't be sending money to the Philippines, we shouldn't be sending money to Pakistan, we shouldn't be sending money to Egypt, we shouldn't be sending ,money to Israel, we shouldn't be sending money anywhere.

    If individual Americans want to send their money to any of those places the Jebsus bless their hearts and they're free to do what they want with their money.

    I take only a slightly less strict view of spending tax money to feed the hungry, and clothe the naked, and care for the sick here in America - and then only because I personally would have to deal with the consequences of poor, sick, hungry people lining the streets of my hometown spreading communicable disease and trying to steal the wheels off my car.
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    Re: Send help to the Philippines ?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I disagree.

    We shouldn't be sending money to the Philippines, we shouldn't be sending money to Pakistan, we shouldn't be sending money to Egypt, we shouldn't be sending ,money to Israel, we shouldn't be sending money anywhere.

    If individual Americans want to send their money to any of those places the Jebsus bless their hearts and they're free to do what they want with their money.

    I take only a slightly less strict view of spending tax money to feed the hungry, and clothe the naked, and care for the sick here in America - and then only because I personally would have to deal with the consequences of poor, sick, hungry people lining the streets of my hometown spreading communicable disease and trying to steal the wheels off my car.
    Bitter much. These people have ended up with absolutely nothing. Zero. We will always have money for humanitarian needs of a people that have done nothing to us.

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    Re: Send help to the Philippines ?

    When your neighbours house is on fire you don't haggle over the cost of your garden hose.

    $20 million and any aid to follow is a drop in the bucket.

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    Re: Send help to the Philippines ?

    Dear OP: This is not a black-or-white issue. The choice is not, I repeat, not a binary decision between zero dollars and $50 trillion dollars. There are a lot of numbers in between!
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    Re: Send help to the Philippines ?

    Yes...and anyway, we already are.

    The amount of money aid will cost is a tiny flyspeck on the side of the giant money sink we are running.



    Edit: Also, why in all the flaming hells do you keep using the word "dept" as if it means "debt". It's driving me nuts.
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    Re: Send help to the Philippines ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Bitter much. These people have ended up with absolutely nothing. Zero. We will always have money for humanitarian needs of a people that have done nothing to us.
    I'm not bitter, I don't really feel anything.

    I just don't give a **** about the Philippines.

    Nothing against them as I'm sure they're all awesome people.

    But I feel no obligation to assist them.

    YOU may always have money for humanitarian assistance.

    You do not speak for me so there is no WE to this calculation.
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    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: Send help to the Philippines ?

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
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    Ok so i'm all for helping people out, but the fact that we are sending 20 million dollars to help them got me thinking. Where was the money coming from? Now I could only think of two places. One, taxes. 2. We're borrowing it. Now if everything was OK in America I would say go for it, they need it. BUT EVERYTHING IS NOT ALRIGHT PEOPLE! We are 17 billion dollars in dept. Every tax payer in America currently would have to pay 149 thousand dollars to take us out of dept nationally on top of what individual owe, and the government keeps spending! We shouldn't be trying to stabilize other economy's, we should be trying to stabilize our own, scrapping together every penny we can get to start shoving that number back! And when we think "Oh penny's don't matter the dept increase by hundreds of dollars a second," well consider that every penny we shove that dept back, that's another penny our kids and grand kids and great grand kids wont have to pay. And people, 20 million dollars is not a couple of penny's. When you realize that about 48 cents out of the dollar is borrowed, we just shoved our dept up about 9.6 million dollars. Is a recovering country going to help us pay that back? I don't think so. I highly doubt it in any case. In case your wondering if any of these numbers are crap, here's a real time dept clock to back me up. So should we send it?
    Sorry but i say no


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    You're too late-the money and the help is already there or it's on the way.

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