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    Re: Who's worse: Genghis Khan, or Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Absolutely. No one murdered by Stalinists, for example, was innocent: they all shared the unforgivable original sin of belonging to the wrong "classes": aristocracy, merchants, bourgeoisie...Of course, to keep feeding the meat grinder, the familiar "classes" had to be supplemented with new inventions, like "kulaks" ("rich" peasants) and "podkulachniks" (sub-kulaks: peasants who could not be considered rich by any stretch of imagination, but had to be killed anyway) and certain ethnic groups (Chechens, Kalmyks, Crimean Tartars...)
    I never claimed that my point of view would be the same as the Stalinist were, in fact, a very large number of my post hint or directly address the dehumanization of the left in preparation of killing large numbers of them when a civil war breaks out. Of course Stalins victims were "innocents" the weren't socialist. While not my first choice, I would still support and agree with a anti-socialist genocidal program in the US.
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    Re: Who's worse: Genghis Khan, or Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Innocence, as well as someones humanity is often a mater of perspective and opinion, not an absolute.



    The millions of people who were slaughtered by Mao Zedong and Stalin were killed for political reasons, not because they were guilty of any crimes.

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    Re: Who's worse: Genghis Khan, or Hitler?

    Hitler is the clear winner. Kahn was a ruler in more primative times, and his actions were considered normal for a leader.

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    Re: Who's worse: Genghis Khan, or Hitler?

    Are we becoming sick as a society ?
    That little bit about our President from a "DVS"... disgusting.
    How about a thread on people who do good, rather than evil, or who are strangely perceived by conservatives..
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    and a billion others ...nameless.......my grandmother....
    Hitler, Khan, Stalin, Mao, the Devil.....should be nameless

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    Re: Who's worse: Genghis Khan, or Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Having lived so historically recently, Hitler is rightfully held up as the height of evilness of mankind. Go back some 700 years, though, and Genghis Khan fit that description just as well. Both men are similar, having wrecked havoc on the population of Eurasia in a relatively brief, swift reign of terror.

    While WWII was the deadliest war in history, with between 40 and 72 million deaths, the Mongol conquests come close, having result in between 30 and 70 million deaths. And by worldwide population, the Mongol conquests were much deadlier, 17% vs. 1-3% of living people having been killed.

    List of wars and anthropogenic disasters by death toll - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Each man committed genocide on an unprecedented scale, but today Genghis Khan enjoys an amount of notoriety, akin to that given to Alexander the Great.

    So is one man more evil than the other? And if so, who?


    Genghis Khan was largely a product of his time and environment, which was a rough and violent era we would consider very barbaric and brutal.


    Hitler was an aberration of his era and culture. Germany was a civilized nation, amid Western Civilization, where such things were very much on the decline and viewed with moral horror, rather than biz-as-usual.


    Therefore Hitler gets my vote as worst. Genghis was just doing what everybody else did, only "better". Hitler went against the tide of his civilization and culture to return to a level of barbarity that should not have been seen in that time and place.

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    Re: Who's worse: Genghis Khan, or Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    So to summarize Atilla the Hun was of Mongol Turkic origin (453 A.D). So was Genghis Khan (1200 A.D). Then there was the Ottoman Empire for 500 years starting from 15th century.

    Three Mongolian-Turkic waves towards Europe. Perhaps one empire lay the initial grounds for the other.
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    Re: Who's worse: Genghis Khan, or Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Genghis Khan was largely a product of his time and environment, which was a rough and violent era we would consider very barbaric and brutal.


    Hitler was an aberration of his era and culture. Germany was a civilized nation, amid Western Civilization, where such things were very much on the decline and viewed with moral horror, rather than biz-as-usual.


    Therefore Hitler gets my vote as worst. Genghis was just doing what everybody else did, only "better".
    Hitler went against the tide of his civilization and culture to return to a level of barbarity that should not have been seen in that time and place.



    Hitler offered the German people a better life and gave them and a lot of other people something mighty close to Hell on earth.

    He was a con man, like a lot of other politicians on this planet right now and in the past.

    Hitler was only able to do his evil because enough people believed the lies that he told.

    If enough people in Germany had said no to him they could have changed history, but they didn't.
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    Re: Who's worse: Genghis Khan, or Hitler?


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    Re: Who's worse: Genghis Khan, or Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    The question I would ask you is was Khan's behavior out of step with how conquering armies of the time acted? I don't know, but would suggest if he acted more or less like most conquerors of his time it would paint his actions in a
    different light relative to Hitler.
    Armies of the time generally were not in the habit of rounding up the populations of towns they conquered and forcing them to march ahead of their forces as human shields in battle. They also were not in the habit of systematically exterminating the populations of cities that refused to surrender.

    The Mongols would sometimes take a week or more to exterminate every man, woman, and child (minus useful persons like scholars, engineers, and whomever they might want to use in the role of the aforementioned human shields) after a major conquest. They corralled everyone up, gave their soldiers a quota for how many each person had to kill, and then got to work.

    Sounds sort of familiar in a grotesque kind of way, no?

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    Re: Who's worse: Genghis Khan, or Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The millions of people who were slaughtered by Mao Zedong and Stalin were killed for political reasons, not because they were guilty of any crimes.
    All socialist/leftist are guilty of crimes against humanity, including slavery. They steal from people. They oppress a persons right to earn and gain from their own labors. The force millions into poverty.

    If a person hires someone to oppress others, enslave other, murder others, they are still guilty of those crimes, even if it is a "government" that does the deeds for them. There is no such thing as an innocent, adult socialist/liberal/progressive/communist, etc. All of them, each and every one is guilty of crimes against humanity and because they are, they have given up any consideration of them being human.
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