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    Re: Who's worse: Genghis Khan, or Hitler?

    Iosif Vissarionovich Stalin was far worse than Hitler
    and who gives two hoots about what happened
    at the beginning of the 13th century?

    Besides the 3rd world war fought with nooclear weapons
    will have a casualty count that dwarfs all that came before?

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    Re: Who's worse: Genghis Khan, or Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    Iosif Vissarionovich Stalin was far worse than Hitler
    and who gives two hoots about what happened
    at the beginning of the 13th century?

    Besides the 3rd world war fought with nooclear weapons
    will have a casualty count that dwarfs all that came before?
    History hints at what we ought to avoid. That's reason enough to care about the 13th century, even if only a little.

    I will repeat: Khan, Hitler, Stalin, and so forth, were the leaders of groups which caused harm on such a scale that all scales become useless.

    After the first few hundred thousand deaths or so (way before that really), there's no point in counting anymore, because whoever is in charge of the madness has entered evil overlord status and must be stripped of all power by any means possible.
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    Re: Who's worse: Genghis Khan, or Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    Iosif Vissarionovich Stalin was far worse than Hitler
    and who gives two hoots about what happened
    at the beginning of the 13th century?

    Besides the 3rd world war fought with nooclear weapons
    will have a casualty count that dwarfs all that came before?
    There are some that would take that a step further and ask why things that happened a hundred years ago would matter. Not saying that is you, but some say to me. To those who do say it however, I would remind them of the inconvenient fact that Germany was a democracy before Hitler, hell, they voted him into office. Perhaps we should be a little cautious in thinking that our nice safe democracies can't ever change.... food for thought.

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    Re: Who's worse: Genghis Khan, or Hitler?

    The flimsy argument used by people who think Hitler was the worst tyrant is that he killed people solely based on their race and therefore was the most evil. In the end, what does it really matter if people are murdered because or their race, religion, because they won't submit to the government's plan of collectivization, or because they happen to be living in a city that some warlord wants to conquer? Such crimes should be condemned regardless of the reasoning behind them.

    I would say Khan was worse than Hitler simply because he killed more people. Most Western leftists love to keep the attention focused on Hitler, because that way they don't have to be reminded of the atrocities that leftist dictators like Stalin and Mao committed. I consider myself a socialist, but I despise communism and communist crimes. And if you ask me, Pol Pot deserves the title of the most brutal, sadistic leader in history. He practically took Cambodia back to the stone age with his barbarism.

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    Re: Who's worse: Genghis Khan, or Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    And if you ask me, Pol Pot deserves the title of the most brutal, sadistic leader in history. He practically took Cambodia back to the stone age with his barbarism.
    given the size of his population and access to resources, Pol pot accomplished alot. I think he killed of a 1/4 of his entire population. Definitely an over achiever when his crimes are taken in context

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    Re: Who's worse: Genghis Khan, or Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    The flimsy argument used by people who think Hitler was the worst tyrant is that he killed people solely based on their race and therefore was the most evil. In the end, what does it really matter if people are murdered because or their race, religion, because they won't submit to the government's plan of collectivization, or because they happen to be living in a city that some warlord wants to conquer? Such crimes should be condemned regardless of the reasoning behind them.

    I would say Khan was worse than Hitler simply because he killed more people. Most Western leftists love to keep the attention focused on Hitler, because that way they don't have to be reminded of the atrocities that leftist dictators like Stalin and Mao committed. I consider myself a socialist, but I despise communism and communist crimes. And if you ask me, Pol Pot deserves the title of the most brutal, sadistic leader in history. He practically took Cambodia back to the stone age with his barbarism.
    A socialist eh? I look forward to our debates.... that is all. You can go back now.

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    Re: Who's worse: Genghis Khan, or Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Genghis Khan was the strongest, smartest brute in a world of brutes.

    Hitler (just like Lenin, Mao, et al, let's not leave poor little Addie all alone) had inherited a civilized nation with a long tradition of humanism and tolerance - and turned it into a genocidal nightmare.

    Not even close to a contest.
    They were tolerant of certain groups before hitler, but the jews not so much. They weren't being driven off and killed, because unprecedented inflation hadn't occurred yet. Hitler took advantage of the long-festering hate.

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    Re: Who's worse: Genghis Khan, or Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    They were tolerant of certain groups before hitler, but the jews not so much. They weren't being driven off and killed, because unprecedented inflation hadn't occurred yet. Hitler took advantage of the long-festering hate.
    Nobody says there was perfect harmony. But the Jews lived - and prospered, many of them - in Germany and Austria, benefiting the "natives" as well. The Nazis had introduced an ideology that made further co-existence impossible. (The Commies farther east did pretty much the same, only emphasizing the imaginary "class" over the semi-imaginary "race").

    And by the way, the hyperinflation had nothing to do with any of it. It was over by 1923.

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    Re: Who's worse: Genghis Khan, or Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    the first turkic tribe which was seen in europe

    Huns - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Origins of the Huns
    So to summarize Atilla the Hun was of Mongol Turkic origin (453 A.D). So was Genghis Khan (1200 A.D). Then there was the Ottoman Empire for 500 years starting from 15th century.

    Three Mongolian-Turkic waves towards Europe. Perhaps one empire lay the initial grounds for the other.
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    Re: Who's worse: Genghis Khan, or Hitler?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Having lived so historically recently, Hitler is rightfully held up as the height of evilness of mankind. Go back some 700 years, though, and Genghis Khan fit that description just as well. Both men are similar, having wrecked havoc on the population of Eurasia in a relatively brief, swift reign of terror.

    While WWII was the deadliest war in history, with between 40 and 72 million deaths, the Mongol conquests come close, having result in between 30 and 70 million deaths. And by worldwide population, the Mongol conquests were much deadlier, 17% vs. 1-3% of living people having been killed.

    List of wars and anthropogenic disasters by death toll - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Each man committed genocide on an unprecedented scale, but today Genghis Khan enjoys an amount of notoriety, akin to that given to Alexander the Great.

    So is one man more evil than the other? And if so, who?
    Gotta go with Hitler. Two reasons.

    1. The Mongol conquests were a lot longer than Khan's life. He didn't do all that killing himself. Hitler did all that in a few years.

    2. Believe it or not, not everything was bad under the Mongols. They tended to kill ****loads when they came in, of course, but once the territory was settled as theirs, they weren't a bad empire to be under. They were incredibly religiously tolerant as well. Hitler? Yeah, not so much.

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