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    Re: Serious or Parody?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    The ones that raised me and I know are. I am surrounded by them.
    Somehow you kept enough self-awareness to make your own decisions. Either the programming was inept or your experience taught you to question everything.
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    Re: Serious or Parody?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If You Want a Conservative Child | National Review Online

    A sample:

    So, the question: is this supposed to be taken seriously, or is this a Colbert style parody? I really just cannot tell, but the article is good for many laughs.

    Wow. That is such an evil article that words escape me. You can substitute another group for "leftist" and quickly see how evil and propaganda-like it is. It's also an ignorant article. Self-esteem isn't given at all. It is a trait that comes from within and generated by one's self. It can neither be given nor earned, since it doesn't come from anyone else. It is part of one's psyche.

    Wow. Scary dude.

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    Re: Serious or Parody?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Anyone who doesn't know who Dennis Prager is and has to use an unreliable source as Wikipedia is definitely not a politico.
    Apache judging from your many ardent and usually obnoxious opinions which you gleefully spew out on frequent occasions I'd have to say that I really don't give a damn.

    Though to maintain whatever integrity I have, I will answer to say that Dennis Prager really isn't worth squat. I am incredibly certain that I know many things whether political, social economical and historical that you do not. As I am sure that the opposite is true.

    Wikipedia gets an undeservedly bad rap. As long as you are at least a little careful with the page, you are usually fine and it supplies a huge amount of knowledge on an enormous range of subjects. At least I'm not a hack and don't use hyper-partisan blogs as sources though.
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    Re: Serious or Parody?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Anyone who doesn't know who Dennis Prager is and has to use an unreliable source as Wikipedia is definitely not a politico.
    The last of a dying breed? A lone voice in the wilderness? Maybe...

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    Re: Serious or Parody?

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    Apache judging from your many ardent and usually obnoxious opinions which you gleefully spew out on frequent occasions I'd have to say that I really don't give a damn.

    Though to maintain whatever integrity I have, I will answer to say that Dennis Prager really isn't worth squat. I am incredibly certain that I know many things whether political, social economical and historical that you do not. As I am sure that the opposite is true.

    Wikipedia gets an undeservedly bad rap. As long as you are at least a little careful with the page, you are usually fine and it supplies a huge amount of knowledge on an enormous range of subjects. At least I'm not a hack and don't use hyper-partisan blogs as sources though.
    My post wasn't referring that you didn't know who Dennis Prager was, for some reason I had a feeling you did know who Prager was. I'm just saying anyone who's been following politics for any time would already know who Prager is.

    As for Wikipedia, it never should be used as a reliable source, especially if the topic is political. Have you read Wikipedia's disclaimer ? Did you see the thread a few weeks ago on the DP where Wikipedia publicly came out admitting they have a problem with socks reediiting and publishing right out misinformation ? Come on, back in 2008 on Wikipedia's Obama page for three days it said Obama was born in Kenya before someone changed it. They now have a little locked padlock at the top of Obama's page.

    Wikipedia should only be used as a starting point for further research, never used as a source.

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    Re: Serious or Parody?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Anyone who doesn't know who Dennis Prager is and has to use an unreliable source as Wikipedia is definitely not a politico.
    Wikipedia is a good source for information. Not necessarily cite-able information, but you can use it as an easily searchable source for links to information which MIGHT be cite-able.

    I have no idea who Dennis Prager is. Is he someone who rages powerfully and is named Dennis?
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    Re: Serious or Parody?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Wikipedia is a good source for information. Not necessarily cite-able information, but you can use it as an easily searchable source for links to information which MIGHT be cite-able.

    I have no idea who Dennis Prager is. Is he someone who rages powerfully and is named Dennis?
    First of all, Prager is a Jew not a Christian.

    I believed he was married to a black woman once and the left couldn't handle that. Every time a liberal called Prager a racist Prager's wife would turn around and say "What did you call my husband" ?

    Prager has been a political commentary for decades going back to the 80's and has had a number of talk radio programs. He's also been a long time syndicated columnists.

    That's what I personally know about Prager without going to the internet.

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    Re: Serious or Parody?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    First of all, Prager is a Jew not a Christian.
    What does that have to do with anything? I never claimed to know anything about him, let alone his religion...

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I believed he was married to a black woman once and the left couldn't handle that. Every time a liberal called Prager a racist Prager's wife would turn around and say "What did you call my husband" ?
    Cool.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Prager has been a political commentary for decades going back to the 80's and has had a number of talk radio programs. He's also been a long time syndicated columnists.
    Sounds like many other talk radio persons.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    That's what I personally know about Prager without going to the internet.
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    Re: Serious or Parody?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Did you read the article at the link?
    Yes. I am not quite sure hat that makes it a satire. Why do you think it is?

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    Re: Serious or Parody?

    It's kind of like this article.

    How to Raise a Pagan Kid in a Christian Home

    Quote Originally Posted by This article
    Every Imperfect and Normal Family wants their kids to turn out right. So, we establish goals for character development and try to create an environment where our kids can mature. Church, school, sports teams, family relationships... each of these provides a context where our kids can learn to “love your neighbor as yourself.”
    Unfortunately, our “good” objectives might have absolutely nothing to do with the gospel of Jesus Christ. And we inadvertently end up raising pagans instead of Christians.

    Too many times, (Christian) parents have it as their goal to make their kids good and moral. It is as if the entire purpose of their family’s spiritual life is to shape their children into law-abiding citizens who stay out of trouble. The only problem with this goal is that it runs in stark contrast to what the Bible teaches. The gospel is not about making bad people moral, but about making dead people alive. If we teach morality without the transforming power of the gospel and the necessity of a life fully surrendered to God's will, then we are raising moral pagans.
     



    We end up teaching the wrong thing because we have the wrong objectives.

    This sentiment was stirred in me afresh when I read an interview with Veggie Tales creator Phil Vischer. He was reflecting on how the “Christian message” he was trying to teach wasn’t Christianity at all...

    "I looked back at the previous 10 years and realized I had spent 10 years trying to convince kids to behave Christianly without actually teaching them Christianity. And that was a pretty serious conviction. You can say, "Hey kids, be more forgiving because the Bible says so," or "Hey kids, be more kind because the Bible says so!" But that isn't Christianity, it's morality. . .

    And that was such a huge shift for me from the American Christian ideal. We're drinking a cocktail that's a mix of the Protestant work ethic, the American dream, and the gospel. And we've intertwined them so completely that we can't tell them apart anymore. Our gospel has become a gospel of following your dreams and being good so God will make all your dreams come true. It's the Oprah god.”
    So what is your objective?

    Do you teach your kids "be good because the Bible tells you to" or do you teach your kids that they will never be good without Christ’s offer of grace? There is a huge difference. One leads to moralism; the other leads to brokenness. One leads to self-righteousness; the other leads to a life that realizes that Christ is everything and that nothing else matters.

    I want my kids to be good. We all do. But as our kids grow up, the truth of the gospel can easily get lost somewhere between salvation (where we know we need Jesus) and living life (where we tend to say “I’ve got this”). My experience is that the vast majority of parents are encouraging moral behavior in their kids so that God will bless their (usually self-centered) pursuits. It's the American Dream plus Jesus. And it produces good, moral pagans.

    Consider the key objectives you have for your kids. Seriously, take a minute to think about what would deem you a successful parent. If your goals are focused on your kids’ behavior, their happiness, or their accomplishments (but don’t include a dependence upon Christ and a submission to His will and work), then you might want to make some adjustments.

    Because the world has enough pagans. Even plenty of really nice ones. What we need is kids who fully grasp the reality that they have nothing to offer, but who intimately know a God who has everything they need.

    Phil Vischer finally got this. What about you?

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