View Poll Results: Who would you NOT consider voting for in 2016? Pick all that apply

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  • Hillary Clinton

    69 52.67%
  • Andrew Cuomo

    69 52.67%
  • Elizibeth Warren

    61 46.56%
  • Rand Paul

    75 57.25%
  • Ted Cruz

    85 64.89%
  • Chris Christie

    38 29.01%
  • Jeb Bush

    80 61.07%
  • Jon Huntsman

    44 33.59%
  • Marco Rubio

    71 54.20%
  • Joe Biden

    91 69.47%
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Thread: For Every One: Who Would You NOT Consider Voting For In 2016 [W:58]

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    Re: For Every One: Who Would You NOT Consider Voting For In 2016 [W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    And I am tried of gun lovers who are ignorant about the calibre of weapon needed to defend oneself. Most police officers do not carry thosr types of overly powerful weapons, so why should the public?

    And you, being a lover of Bush and constitutional rights, should be more concerned with the Patriot Act over people wanting to ban machine guns and the like because of an amendment written over 130 years ago. A time when muskets were all the rage.
    First off, learn math. When was the second amendment ratified? Try 1791. It was 222 years ago, not 130 years ago. The last time I checked it doesn't say that it only protects arms from 1791 and earlier. Do you see that anywhere in the second amendment? No, because it's meant to protect the peoples right to bear arms, not to protect their right to bear only certain arms from a certain time period.

    Who the hell cares what the police carry? Does it look like I care? Nope, I don't give a ****. Do you know why? Because this isn't about what the mother****ing police carry, but about what the people carry. The only time it matters what the police carry is when the people aren't allowed to carry the same weaponry. Other than that, who cares? As long as the people have their right to bear arms protected and can carry the same weaponry as police it doesn't matter one bit to the conversion at hand.

    Oh and I can be concerned about two things that once. Maybe that is just me though.
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    Re: For Every One: Who Would You NOT Consider Voting For In 2016 [W:58]

    I'd NOT even vote for an earthworm, if I knew he was an extremist.
    A Hitler or Khan , we do not need...nor
    a Cruz or a Paul , we need NOT....

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    Re: For Every One: Who Would You NOT Consider Voting For In 2016 [W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Glocks?
    The standard issue magazine for a 9mm Glock is 17 rounds. Lieyawatha wants to prevent citizens from having such magazines. The clinton gun ban caused the price of those magazines to go from 20 dollars to over 100 by 1995



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    Re: For Every One: Who Would You NOT Consider Voting For In 2016 [W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    By all means please do present your verifiable evidence that "most Americans"
    1- believe police officers are civilians, and
    2 - believe they should have the same weapons as the police

    I welcome seeing such verifiable evidence.
    you still pretending that employees of civilian police departments are not civilians?

    if you actually read Heller you would understand that Heller pretty much establishes that point



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    Re: For Every One: Who Would You NOT Consider Voting For In 2016 [W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you still pretending that employees of civilian police departments are not civilians?
    Gun issues will indeed play a role in the 2016 election and they should be front and center. We need candidates who are not associated with the gun lobby and do not have a far right interpretation of the Second Amendment.

    As to police officers not being civilians and me pretending that they are.....

    yeah - just me all by myself .... OH! .... and these authorities on the meaning of words agree with me also.

    Google definitions

    ci·vil·ian
    səˈvilyən/
    noun
    noun: civilian; plural noun: civilians
    1. 
a person not in the armed services or the police force.

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    Civilian - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    ci·vil·ian noun \sə-ˈvil-yən also -ˈvi-yən\
    : a person who is not a member of the military or of a police or firefighting force


    Full Definition of CIVILIAN
    1
    :* a specialist in Roman or modern civil law
    2
    a :* one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force

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    civilian - definition of civilian by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
    ci·vil·ian (s-vlyn)n.1. A person following the pursuits of civil life, especially one who is not an active member of the military, the police, or a belligerent group.
    2. A person who does not belong to a particular group or engage in a particular activity.
    3. A specialist in Roman or civil law.





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    Civilian | Define Civilian at Dictionary.com

    ci·vil·ian [si-vil-yuhn] Show IPA
    noun
    1.
    a person who is not on active duty with a military, naval, police, or fire fighting organization.

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    civilian: definition of civilian in Oxford dictionary - American English (US)

    Definition of civilian in English
    civilian
    Syllabification: (ci·vil·ian)
    Pronunciation: /səˈvilyən/

    noun
    a person not in the armed services or the police force.


    The desire to rewrite the dictionary is based purely on the extremist belief that the far right wants the same firepower as the government when the day of right wing jubilee arrives and they have to take to the streets to do battle killing their fellow Americans. To do that the far right invent their own meanings of words and ignore reality.
    Last edited by haymarket; 11-17-13 at 07:21 AM.
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    Re: For Every One: Who Would You NOT Consider Voting For In 2016 [W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Gun issues will indeed play a role in the 2016 election and they should be front and center. We need candidates who are not associated with the gun lobby and do not have a far right interpretation of the Second Amendment.

    As to police officers not being civilians and me pretending that they are.....

    yeah - just me all by myself .... OH! .... and these authorities on the meaning of words agree with me also.

    Google definitions

    ci·vil·ian
    səˈvilyən/
    noun
    noun: civilian; plural noun: civilians
    1. 
a person not in the armed services or the police force.

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    Civilian - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    ci·vil·ian noun \sə-ˈvil-yən also -ˈvi-yən\
    : a person who is not a member of the military or of a police or firefighting force


    Full Definition of CIVILIAN
    1
    :* a specialist in Roman or modern civil law
    2
    a :* one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force

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    freeonline dictionary

    civilian - definition of civilian by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
    ci·vil·ian (s-vlyn)n.1. A person following the pursuits of civil life, especially one who is not an active member of the military, the police, or a belligerent group.
    2. A person who does not belong to a particular group or engage in a particular activity.
    3. A specialist in Roman or civil law.





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    Civilian | Define Civilian at Dictionary.com

    ci·vil·ian [si-vil-yuhn] Show IPA
    noun
    1.
    a person who is not on active duty with a military, naval, police, or fire fighting organization.

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    civilian: definition of civilian in Oxford dictionary - American English (US)

    Definition of civilian in English
    civilian
    Syllabification: (ci·vil·ian)
    Pronunciation: /səˈvilyən/

    noun
    a person not in the armed services or the police force.


    The desire to rewrite the dictionary is based purely on the extremist belief that the far right wants the same firepower as the government when the day of right wing jubilee arrives and they have to take to the streets to do battle killing their fellow Americans. To do that the far right invent their own meanings of words and ignore reality.
    sadly for you, the definitions you cited are what cops use to pretend they are different than other CIVILIANS. INTERNATIONAL TREATIES AND US CODE disagree with you and you have been edified of this fact. AND YOU IGNORE THE FACT that the FBI, USMS and the DEA are called CIVILIAN LAW ENFORCEMENT organizations and answer to CIVILIAN LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS such as the US ATTORNEY



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    Re: For Every One: Who Would You NOT Consider Voting For In 2016 [W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sadly for you, the definitions you cited are what cops use to pretend they are different than other CIVILIANS.
    Actually its what the authorities who write the dictionaries define the term as.

    The term CIVILIAN LAW ENFORCEMENT is simply used to indicate they are not active military personnel. It is NOT a statement that police are civilians.
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    Re: For Every One: Who Would You NOT Consider Voting For In 2016 [W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The standard issue magazine for a 9mm Glock is 17 rounds. Lieyawatha wants to prevent citizens from having such magazines. The clinton gun ban caused the price of those magazines to go from 20 dollars to over 100 by 1995
    “There is a huge difference between the guns of a sportsman or homeowner and high-powered assault weapons with 100-cartridge magazines,” she said. “I grew up around guns and gun owners, and I will work to protect the rights of law-abiding citizens. But the law must reflect the reality that, in the wrong hands, guns can be used for violent crimes, disrupting communities and making families and neighborhoods less safe.”
    What she wants makes perfectly goods sense to me. There's no need to make Swiss cheese out of an intruder.
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    Re: For Every One: Who Would You NOT Consider Voting For In 2016 [W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    What she wants makes perfectly goods sense to me. There's no need to make Swiss cheese out of an intruder.
    what you constantly fail to understand is that these gun banners incrementally limit stuff. We saw that in NY. How about a law that said citizens get all the same things that civilian police departments get



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    Re: For Every One: Who Would You NOT Consider Voting For In 2016 [W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    What she wants makes perfectly goods sense to me. There's no need to make Swiss cheese out of an intruder.
    A counter argument would be: "better to have the rounds and not need them, then not have them and need them".

    Or my personal favorite - "since there is no good reason to limit the number of rounds in a clip, no law limiting such should be created"
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