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    Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    So, is it?

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    I might be tempted to use the term hegemony, but not empire.
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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    So, is it?
    It certainly has some imperialistic tendencies, though I'm not sure if it qualifies as an actual "empire."

    em·pire

    /ˈemˌpī(ə)r/


    noun

    noun: empire; plural noun: empires

    1. an extensive group of states or countries under a single supreme authority, formerly esp. an emperor or empress.
    The only country we control with "supreme" authority is our own. Even then, that authority is Democratic in basis.
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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    No, it's not an empire. Military occupation in countries like Afghanistan and Iraq don't make a nation an empire especially since the political government hasn't been usurped from the people, but rather, given back to the people.

    If the USA would decide to conquer Mexico, then it would be an empire. Or annex Iraq or Afghanistan...
    Democratic empires can exist Gathomas. The Roman Republic was an empire... but it was also a democracy (until you know, it stopped being).

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    It certainly has some imperialistic tendencies, though I'm not sure if it qualifies as an actual "empire."



    The only country we control with "supreme" authority is our own. Even then, that authority is Democratic in basis.
    While I agree that the United States isn't a traditional empire anymore, and that it only has supreme authority over itself, I would like to point out that the British Empire was the most powerful and largest empire in history, but was still democratic.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    No, it's not an empire. Military occupation in countries like Afghanistan and Iraq don't make a nation an empire especially since the political government hasn't been usurped from the people, but rather, given back to the people.

    If the USA would decide to conquer Mexico, then it would be an empire. Or annex Iraq or Afghanistan...
    Democratic empires can exist Gathomas. The Roman Republic was an empire... but it was also a democracy (until you know, it stopped being).
    True, but it kind of depends on what you mean by "empire." Democratic states may behave like Empires, but they generally tend not to be labeled with the title unless they become blatantly authoritarian.

    Most text-books will refer to the Roman state prior to Augustus as being the "Roman Republic" even in spite of it's numerous acts of imperialistic conquest.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    While I agree that the United States isn't a traditional empire anymore, and that it only has supreme authority over itself, I would like to point out that the British Empire was the most powerful and largest empire in history, but was still democratic.
    It was, technically speaking, a Constitutional Monarchy. Additionally, I was under the impression that the English Monarchy only gained the "imperial" moniker after taking over India, anyway.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    So, is it?
    I do not think that I would go with the word empire. True, there are similarities in expanse and capability to project power. But empires have a different internal structure that means their motivations are also different, not really seeking domination other than as an instrument of self protection ie the safety of it populace. I think I would go with Gardener that it is more a hegemony, though, by default.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    There were some periods in our history, where we expanded like an Empire.
    Manifest Destiny and all that, but since the late 1800's our pattern
    has not been conqueror and subjugate, but rather liberate and subsidize.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    No, this is just a stupid narrative that high school kids get excited about.

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