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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Meh. We are a Soft Power Empire.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    With troops and bases all over the world, I don't see how you could call it anything but an empire.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    So, is it?
    No, the United States as it operates currently is a entity that falls under a new, as of yet, unnamed category.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Yes. But different than any other in history. We are an Empire of Democracy. We are chief among the democratic powers and armored not by client states but by democratic hegemony and peace.
    Thats not really completely accurate. Puerto Rico being chief among the obstacles to that definition as the U.S has in its history annexed many territories and claimed them in an imperialist manner. Such as the aquisition of Florida during the Spanish war, Hawaii, etc.... Whether it can be reclassified as it has not shown those tendencies toward annexation recently is a matter for debate, but the many wars and conflicts it has engaged in over the last 50 years within sovereign nations could well be an argument for it still being an imperialist power.

    The U.S is also not technically a Democracy, though it is Democratic.... though this is an argument for debate....

    Lastly, the U.S has a major issue with the term Empire and Imperialism, obviously stemming from its own birth. The U.S at a governmental level would be keen to never be seen with such a label and as such, regardless of the evidence would always resist such a labelling. If it walks like a duck my friend....
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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    With troops and bases all over the world, I don't see how you could call it anything but an empire.

    EDIT: Here's a link to the image since the text is so small.
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    The U.S. is not an empire in the traditional sense. While we may conquer foreign lands, we do not retain ownership for very long. We do, however, as you pointed out, export our influence and might across the globe. We similarly do that with our values and goods. Some of what we do is par the course of being a superpower, but some of what we do stems from our original days sailing the high seas expanding the reach and power of this nation often at the peril of foreigners and their resources.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    The U.S. is not an empire in the traditional sense. While we may conquer foreign lands, we do not retain ownership for very long. We do, however, as you pointed out, export our influence and might across the globe. We similarly do that with our values and goods. Some of what we do is par the course of being a superpower, but some of what we do stems from our original days sailing the high seas expanding the reach and power of this nation often at the peril of foreigners and their resources.
    Whereby, in most peoples' mind the idea of malign intent has more to do with the way they are and think, than with what the Americans are really thinking.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hdreamz View Post
    Thats not really completely accurate. Puerto Rico being chief among the obstacles to that definition as the U.S has in its history annexed many territories and claimed them in an imperialist manner. Such as the aquisition of Florida during the Spanish war, Hawaii, etc.... Whether it can be reclassified as it has not shown those tendencies toward annexation recently is a matter for debate, but the many wars and conflicts it has engaged in over the last 50 years within sovereign nations could well be an argument for it still being an imperialist power.

    The U.S is also not technically a Democracy, though it is Democratic.... though this is an argument for debate....

    Lastly, the U.S has a major issue with the term Empire and Imperialism, obviously stemming from its own birth. The U.S at a governmental level would be keen to never be seen with such a label and as such, regardless of the evidence would always resist such a labelling. If it walks like a duck my friend....
    A few things:

    1. The fact that the US has historically behaved in a less than purely liberal fashion does not diminish the reality that we are a liberal hegemony. Our method of 'Imperial' rule is the exportation of democracy and the cementing of democratic peace. This was achieved by our exertions over the past century and include everything from our interventions in the Americas, the struggles of the World Wars, and the global campaigns of the Cold War. The fruits of these victories are evident in areas as far flung as Europe, East Asia, and South America.

    Today our power rests upon our military, economic, and political clout, but our security and the friendliness of our relations is secured by the democratic world order we have created.

    2. Whatever our past transgressions there is no evidence of such 'imperial' rule today. Puerto Rico is a vibrant democracy that has been free to choose its destiny and associations for decades, nor do we hold any colonial possessions.

    3. We are a democratic state, let's not resort to the school house arguments of 'we're not a democracy, we're a Republic!'. We have democratic government and popular self-rule and can be popularly (and universally...) referred to as a democracy.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    The way the government works is obsolete.

    It needs to be daily citizen voting vs state vs the whole.

    As in every damn single person can be alerted to what the daily vote is on and all 3 battle it out. We dont even really need a president. How about make the figure head the voice of "The Whole" for a week and have it be based on a weeks worth of merit.

    Technology man...

    Most people are against the war. Therefore if 51% of americans vote to end the war then its a no go if all 3 cant settle.
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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    The U.S. is not an empire in the traditional sense. While we may conquer foreign lands, we do not retain ownership for very long. We do, however, as you pointed out, export our influence and might across the globe. We similarly do that with our values and goods. Some of what we do is par the course of being a superpower, but some of what we do stems from our original days sailing the high seas expanding the reach and power of this nation often at the peril of foreigners and their resources.
    Greece in many ways did the same thing. Was Greece (Macedon) not an empire at the time of Alexander the Great?

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Yes, unfortunately.

    We have a military presence in 150+ countries. We have over 50,000 troops in Germany, 30,000 troops in Japan, 28,000 in Korea, and many more elsewhere. If that's not an empire, I don't know what is.

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