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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    That's just, like ... your opinion man.
    I think that by definition the USA does fall into the category of an Empire. It is not as dominant over other people's as were the Romans or Brits... but it is an Empire none the less.
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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I think that by definition the USA does fall into the category of an Empire.
    It is not as dominant over other people's as were the Romans or Brits... but it is an Empire none the less.




    I don't know and I really don't care why you have a grudge against the USA, But I believe that eventually you will discover that pursuing that grudge will not help you to live a better life.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    So, is it?
    By no means. There'll be no new empires in the shadow of the bomb, unless by global assent.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    So, is it?
    Yes. But different than any other in history. We are an Empire of Democracy. We are chief among the democratic powers and armored not by client states but by democratic hegemony and peace.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I don't know and I really don't care why you have a grudge against the USA, But I believe that eventually you will discover that pursuing that grudge will not help you to live a better life.
    I literally have no idea why you would make an assumption that I have a grudge against America or how you could correlate thinking the USA is an Empire is something negative. My life is pretty chill though and I would say it is just about as good as life can get minus the crazy ex-wife.
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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I might be tempted to use the term hegemony, but not empire.
    ya hegemony is alot closer. policing the world spreading democracy, sounds about right

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    So, is it?
    Perhaps an economic empire, but that is just good business.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    It was, technically speaking, a Constitutional Monarchy. Additionally, I was under the impression that the English Monarchy only gained the "imperial" moniker after taking over India, anyway.
    Ah, good, you know your history!

    It was (and is) indeed a constitutional monarchy, but it was (and is) also a democracy. That's not to say it's a democratic republic, like France or the US, but the fact of monarchy in the United Kingdom is that it now largely serves the role of figurehead and rallying point -- the United Kingdom is fully democratic, and lots of people (myself included) think it's the oldest democracy in the world. Obviously, this point is debated between Britain, France, Switzerland and the US, who all claim to be the oldest, owing to their different definitions of democracy -- but there is at least a certain for the claim that the UK was a democracy during the time of empire.

    As for that term -- empire -- you're right in thinking that the British Monarchy only started calling itself an Imperial bloodline after India in 1857, styling themselves Emperor or Empress of India, etc. etc., but the political institution of empire has a much longer history in Britain.

    Again depending on definition, you could reliably argue for the existence of the British Empire since the Acts of Union in 1707 brought de facto sovereignty of the English Parliament over the Scottish Parliament.

    Overseas empire far precedes this date, however, as the English (and then British) were establishing colonies in the Americas since the Chesapeake Bay Colony, Jamestown, Williamsburg, etc. (You know Pocahontas and all, eh?)

    So, to wind up an increasingly long and pedantic post, Britain was an empire long before the monarch started calling him/herself Emperor or Empress, and India was only the most lucrative of British Imperial conquests, certainly not the first!

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    The Holy Roman Empire lasted 844 years. I don't think the Emperor was in total control all the time. In fact:
    Voltaire pointed out that the Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire. He was right on all counts.
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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    No, it's not an empire. Military occupation in countries like Afghanistan and Iraq don't make a nation an empire especially since the political government hasn't been usurped from the people, but rather, given back to the people.

    If the USA would decide to conquer Mexico, then it would be an empire. Or annex Iraq or Afghanistan...
    Democratic empires can exist Gathomas. The Roman Republic was an empire... but it was also a democracy (until you know, it stopped being).
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