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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    True, but it kind of depends on what you mean by "empire." Democratic states may behave like Empires, but they generally tend not to be labeled with the title unless they become blatantly authoritarian.

    Most text-books will refer to the Roman state prior to Augustus as being the "Roman Republic" even in spite of it's numerous acts of imperialistic conquest.
    Well they call it the Roman Republic because there still was a Senate worth a damn and there was no Emperor. The highest offices were Consuls which were 2 in number. So that is why it is called the Roman Republic. It was empire by standard definition which you posted because numerous other nations were under the control of the Roman Senate. Egypt, Judeea, Greece, Iberia and much of the lands between.

    The French Republic was a republic (the 1st->4th republic)but it was still an overseas colonial empire until after WW2 (the 5th republic was formed after WW2 and it stopped being a colonial empire).

    Somebody said that the British empire was democratic above... that is not quite true. The "K" in the UK means Kingdom. It's a kingdom because the head of state is the monarch. You call a republic as such because the head of state is a republican denomination (like President) or in the case of the SPQR-> Consuls.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ad_Captandum View Post
    While I agree that the United States isn't a traditional empire anymore, and that it only has supreme authority over itself, I would like to point out that the British Empire was the most powerful and largest empire in history, but was still democratic.
    Not true.. read above the last paragraph.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    I voted no, but I would like to point out that the US has some very expansionist and monarchical tendencies, especially when under the Democratic party's control.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    It certainly has some imperialistic tendencies, though I'm not sure if it qualifies as an actual "empire."
    American Imperialism? No Need to Run Away from Label - Council on Foreign Relations

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    If human rights and democracy are imperialist, then imperialism is good.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If human rights and democracy are imperialist, then imperialism is good.
    I never said anything about imperialism being good or bad, Eco. Just asking if the U.S. is an empire.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    I never said anything about imperialism being good or bad, Eco. Just asking if the U.S. is an empire.
    I was responding to your post and linked article. That's why I quoted you. You began our discussion.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

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    America built an empire spanning the continent, Alaska, and several islands and is acting very imperial in Mesopotania. The difference is in what America has done and is doing with its empire.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    No. We don't have colonies across the globe and haven't made sport of conquering far away land rampantly like the Romans.
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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    If you can loan other countries money when you are in extreme debt AND keep inflation from going up, you might be an empire.

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    Re: Is the U.S.A. de facto an empire?

    I don't think so. America would have to conqueror lands in order to become that. America really hasn't conquered any lands. Even when the Native Americans we're forced out America was still a British Colony. If we took over Mexico...then perhaps we could be called a empire. Speaking of which...that might actually improve those nations...kind of a sad thought there.


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