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    Re: Should we protect whistle blowers when....

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    I used recent events as a means of justifying my proposition of the question. It is a hypothetical completely independent of whatever Edward Snowden or Assange leaked. I am asking you to apply the question to whistle blowing of "privileged documents" in respect of illegal activities in general.
    Assange did not leak any documents--Bradley Manning did. My response still depends. Leaking to the press should be the last resort, not the first.

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    Re: Should we protect whistle blowers when....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Assange did not leak any documents--Bradley Manning did. My response still depends. Leaking to the press should be the last resort, not the first.
    With all due respect, I was more invested in you understanding the point of the OP then with semantics. Please feel free to elaborate, it is the point after all.
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    Re: Should we protect whistle blowers when....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Translation: So you need a government official to tell you if another government officials behavior was improper.
    AND the government judges how you should be punished for revealing government corruption and illegal action? The criminals adjudging the witness to the crime?

    A "whistleblower" by definition is someone who is exposing illegal or corrupt conduct. If the information being released is confidential but is not about illegal or corruption actions, then that person isn't a whistleblower.

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    Re: Should we protect whistle blowers when....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Assange did not leak any documents--Bradley Manning did. My response still depends. Leaking to the press should be the last resort, not the first.
    That last sentence sounds nice, but it reality I suspect it is always either-or. I don't think it is as simple as going to the government or military and say "look at all this illegal corruption?!" - and if the government says "that's confidential and we have to imprison at least temporarily - and BTW here's a federal court order that 1.) we can seize and search everything you have and 2.) the federal court order is a federal gag order - "and now next we are going to interrogate you and detain you indefinitely until we decide it is safe to release you under the Patriot Act" - I don't think the person still has the option of going to the press.

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    Re: Should we protect whistle blowers when....

    There was no criminal charge against Assange. Not an American. Not in America.

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    Re: Should we protect whistle blowers when....

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There was no criminal charge against Assange. Not an American. Not in America.
    I don't think the fact that he is not American and not in America matters much to the authorities over there. As a British citizen, that much is pretty clear.
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    Re: Should we protect whistle blowers when....

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That last sentence sounds nice, but it reality I suspect it is always either-or. I don't think it is as simple as going to the government or military and say "look at all this illegal corruption?!" - and if the government says "that's confidential and we have to imprison at least temporarily - and BTW here's a federal court order that 1.) we can seize and search everything you have and 2.) the federal court order is a federal gag order - "and now next we are going to interrogate you and detain you indefinitely until we decide it is safe to release you under the Patriot Act" - I don't think the person still has the option of going to the press.
    Then deliver it to your congressman or the ACLU or a liberal prosecutor anonymously and let that be your good deed. Leaking it to the press hasn't worked out so well for Manning or Snowden nor has it changed anything. Why ruin your life for nothing?

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    Re: Should we protect whistle blowers when....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Then deliver it to your congressman or the ACLU or a liberal prosecutor anonymously and let that be your good deed. Leaking it to the press hasn't worked out so well for Manning or Snowden nor has it changed anything. Why ruin your life for nothing?
    What makes you think the government won't go after those guys too?
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    Re: Should we protect whistle blowers when....

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    With all due respect, I was more invested in you understanding the point of the OP then with semantics. Please feel free to elaborate, it is the point after all.
    The world is a messed up place and defending our nation is not an academic exercise by Starbuck's-sipping scholars in a classroom. Not everyone in our government is 100% perfect even 1% of the time. If it is your job to work in that world, then do your job and honor your word or face the consequences. If someone wants to "whistle-blow" about an FDA inspector not washing his hands before fondling the food, have at it, but stealing classified information is ILLEGAL regardless of what that information reveals. Allowing people to commit a crime to create some political porn and get your name in the paper is pointless and could endanger a lot of intelligence assets. And please, it was no secret whatsoever that the government was doing this stuff. Well before Snowden, this was in the news and very often was attached to the name "Alberto Gonzales"

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    Re: Should we protect whistle blowers when....

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    What makes you think the government won't go after those guys too?
    What makes you think they won't go after the press? Woops too late, they are already spying on them too. I guess one should move to China where they can be free of the evil government.

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