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Is the President YOUR President?

Is the President YOUR President?


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If you are born here, it is natural. The right just tried to change the definition when Obama came along. I dont believe it says anything about your Daddy in the constitution, does it?
No, actually the definition was there long before the usurper Obama was ever even born.

Read post 172. You'll probably learn something if you are intellectually capable enough.

If not, well then you shouldn't be able to vote IMO.
 
If you are born here, it is natural. The right just tried to change the definition when Obama came along. I dont believe it says anything about your Daddy in the constitution, does it?

Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Excerpt:

>" So what was to be the premise behind America’s first and only constitutional birthright declaration in the year 1866? Simply all children born to parents who owed no foreign allegiance were to be citizens of the United States – that is to say – not only must a child be born but born within the complete allegiance of the United States politically and not merely within its limits. "<

What ‘Subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof’ Really Means

Re: Barack Obama, Barack's father was a British subject and a citizen of Kenya and owed no allegiance to the United States. Obama's father was never issued a immigration visa so he wasn't an immigrant and owed no allegiance to the Unites States.

Note: This article was first published when 99 % of Americans didn't know who Obama was. It's not a birther thing. It was the law at the time and it was what I was taught in school.
 
I am about sick of being nice to ****ing jerks. **** you.
No, actually the definition was there long before the usurper Obama was ever even born.

Read post 172. You'll probably learn something if you are intellectually capable enough.

If not, well then you shouldn't be able to vote IMO.
 
Nope.

§ 212. Citizens and natives.

>" The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. "<

Vattel: The Law of Nations: Book I

Vattel’s Law of Nations and the Founding Fathers

>" Vattel was the key in the United States Constitution in determining the Article 2 Natural Born Citizen clause. Here is a list of the references used by John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington in regards to Vattel’s Law of Nations. This should dispel any notion that the Founding Fathers did not use the Law of Nations as their guide..."<
Vattel’s Law of Nations and the Founding Fathers | Nobarack08's Weblog


'The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law' as U.S. Federal Common Law Not English Common Law Define What an Article II Natural Born Citizen Is

>" There are two United States Supreme Court decisions that show that the meaning of an Article II “natural born Citizen” is not found in the Fourteenth Amendment or in any other part of the Constitution, but rather in the common law. The Supreme Court decided these cases after the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted in 1868. In the first case, the Court decided whether the person was a "natural-born citizen" and in the second one whether the person was a "citizen of the United States."

Chief Justice Waite, in Minor v. Happersett, in 1875, stated: "The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens,as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first." Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875). Additionally, it is important to note that, even though the Fourteenth Amendment was already in place, Justice Waite stated that there is doubt as to whether a child born in the United States to foreign parents is a citizen (Id. at 167-68) and that the Fourteenth Amendment did not affect the citizenship of men or women. Id. at 170. It is also critical to note that Justice Waite did not refer to the English common law when defining a "natural born citizen," for we shall see that the English common law did not consider the citizenship of the child's parents when declaring that child a "natural born subject." Rather, Justice Waite refered to the "common law" that as we shall see below has its origins in the law of nations and natural law and which became U.S. common law..."<

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Law of Nations

you seem to not notice some things. If law of nations were indeed law of the land, it would be regularly cited in court cases. and Vattel was a proponent of "natural law", but the founders worked from English common law, that is a big difference.
 
I really did always think it was just being born in US to make you a natural born citizen. I would really like to find a book from way back talking about it.
Amendment XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Excerpt:

>" So what was to be the premise behind America’s first and only constitutional birthright declaration in the year 1866? Simply all children born to parents who owed no foreign allegiance were to be citizens of the United States – that is to say – not only must a child be born but born within the complete allegiance of the United States politically and not merely within its limits. "<

What ‘Subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof’ Really Means

Re: Barack Obama, Barack's father was a British subject and a citizen of Kenya and owed no allegiance to the United States. Obama's father was never issued a immigration visa so he wasn't an immigrant and owed no allegiance to the Unites States.

Note: This article was first published when 99 % of Americans didn't know who Obama was. It's not a birther thing. It was the law at the time and it was what I was taught in school.
 
Wrong. Historically the mother has only been the deciding factor if the father is unknown. That is not the case with Obama jr. Although his father abandoned him he is still known to be the biological father nonetheless.

Even Obama himself had previously admitted that he was a subject of the British crown.

According to science, my friend, the MOTHER determines the deciding factor of lineage for both male and female. So, in other words, you are wrong. It may serve you well to do a little research on mtDNA.
 
Wrong. Historically the mother has only been the deciding factor if the father is unknown. That is not the case with Obama jr. Although his father abandoned him he is still known to be the biological father nonetheless.

Even Obama himself had previously admitted that he was a subject of the British crown.

BTW, where did you get this absurd conclusion? Enlighten me.
 
Man, I love how right wing this forum is.

Always brings the laughs.
 
you seem to not notice some things. If law of nations were indeed law of the land, it would be regularly cited in court cases. and Vattel was a proponent of "natural law", but the founders worked from English common law, that is a big difference.

The first Chief Justice of the SCOTUS mentioned "The Law of Nations." and said it should be used to define the intent of the Constitution when the intent is in question.

Any judge sitting on the bench who doesn't have the Constitution in front of him along with Vattel's "Law of Nations" shouldn't be sitting on the bench, he's very likely an activist judge.

If you ever get a chance to read the notes of the authors of the Fourteenth Amendment, "The Law of Nations" are quoted throughout their notes.

If you went to the links I provided above you would see that our founding fathers used Vattel's "Law of Nations" when writing the Constitution and forming the federal government.

Even after the Fourteenth Amendment became law, Native-Americans were still not American citizens, except for Cherokee's. Native-Americans didn't owe any allegiance to the United States when the Fourteenth Amendment became law.

Have you ever noticed every six years when Mexico has it's Presidential elections the thousands of supposedly U.S. citizens (Not) anchor babies of illegal alien parents from Mexico lined up to vote in Mexico's election in Los Angeles, Santa Anna, San Diego, San Fransisco, Houston, El Paso, etc.
Under Mexico's Constitution and "The Law of Nations" those anchor babies still owe their allegiance to Mexico and are still Mexican citizens.
 
Since Obama's father was not a US citizen but merely in the US on a student visa, Obama jr. is ineligable to be president of the USA.

A natural born citizen of the US is someone who was born in the US to parents who are US citizens.

One, it is not "and", it is "or" or else John McCain would have been ineligible.

Two, President Obama was born in Hawaii and his mother was from Kansas. He's a natural born citizen by both measures.

Legally, you don't have a leg to stand on.
 
Wrong. Historically the mother has only been the deciding factor if the father is unknown. That is not the case with Obama jr. Although his father abandoned him he is still known to be the biological father nonetheless.

Even Obama himself had previously admitted that he was a subject of the British crown.

...and another thing. And this may get your panties in a bunch...We must not forget that the only presidential candidate that really put the "natural born" clause to the test was (drum roll...) Senator John McCain. That's right. Senator McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone. But hey..you know how those old republicans are. They like to pull the wool over your eyes and take your eyes off the truth and point you into another direction. Rarely, on main stream media, did you hear about this.

Happy researching:D:lamo
 
I really did always think it was just being born in US to make you a natural born citizen. I would really like to find a book from way back talking about it.

Just make sure it was published before 1964.

Revisionism was adopted from Marxism to be the policy/agenda by liberals/progressives in 1964.
 
One, it is not "and", it is "or" or else John McCain would have been ineligible.

Two, President Obama was born in Hawaii and his mother was from Kansas. He's a natural born citizen by both measures.

Legally, you don't have a leg to stand on.

The U.S. Canal Zone was sovereign U.S. soil until Carter gave away our canal.

Just as any U.S. naval ship is sovereign territory of the United States.
 
The U.S. Canal Zone was sovereign U.S. soil until Carter gave away our canal.

Just as any U.S. naval ship is sovereign territory of the United States.

Excuse me??? Boy. You conservatives really know how to tell half-truths don't you:spin: The Hay-Herrán Treaty never (N e v e r) gave complete governmental control to the United States. Let's be clear...Panama was not a state in the United States of America. (I think that is simple enough)
 
The U.S. Canal Zone was sovereign U.S. soil until Carter gave away our canal.

Just as any U.S. naval ship is sovereign territory of the United States.

Furthermore... without going any further with this issue you have with President Carter. When did he become president? When was McCain born? Case closed.
 
Pretty much knew this thread would deteriorate into the Birtherism nonsense.
 
Excuse me??? Boy. You conservatives really know how to tell half-truths don't you:spin: The Hay-Herrán Treaty never (N e v e r) gave complete governmental control to the United States. Let's be clear...Panama was not a state in the United States of America. (I think that is simple enough)

Look at any map published before Jimmy Carter gave away out cana. It says "U.S. Territory, U.S. Canal Zone."

Anyone born on a U.S. military hospital on a U.S. military base in Japan, Germany, UK, etc. are considered to be natural born citizens. Those in the military who give birth to a son or daughter off base in a foreign country, their children end up with dual citizenship. I know there are a few on the DP who went through this.

Berry Goldwater was born in Arizona when it was just a territory of the USA. He was a "natural born citizen." If Berry Goldwater's father would have been a Mexican in the country illegally, Berry Goldwater wouldn't have been legally a U.S. citizen but an anchor baby.
 
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