Is the President YOUR President?

disneydude said:

Other than Texas.....I consider all of the United States my country....Texas is in a whole other world though. It is, afterall....the land that gave us GWB, Ted Cruz and Rick Perry....

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So you are the same kind of person that would claim "Obama is not my President"...got it.

NIMBY said:

Democratic asswipes are out there, but much fewer and further between..
Besides they are my asswipes and support my candidates..

You and I may live to see the first trillionaire APACHE..
Think they'll be philanthropists to write off taxes??

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Philanthropist like Bill Gates another Dem who seems to be more concerned with the third world than Americans living in third world conditions in America.

Soros should be in prison.

Bill Gates is an ass hole.

I noticed these rich elite Dems and Republican who live off a family trust that's kept off shore. Rommney, Kerry, and the Kennedy klan. I think Kennedy klan family money is kept in Fiji.

>" But while the multi-millionaire Kennedy stood firmly in favor of raising taxes on high earners across the United States, he showed a pronounced reluctance to pay taxes on his own wealth. For many years, Merchandise Mart, the Chicago-based real estate conglomerate that Joseph Kennedy established in 1935, was the most valuable asset belonging to Ted Kennedy and his family. In 1974 Joseph Kennedy divided Merchandise Mart’s ownership among numerous family members, including Ted, in the form of a trust that was domiciled in the Pacific island of Fiji. Because the trust was based in Fiji, it was not subject to the taxes normally imposed on trusts domiciled in the United States.

As of 2005, the tax rate on U.S.-based trusts was 49 percent on everything above the first $2 million. But as of 2005, the Kennedys, who had transferred at least $300 million in trust funds from one generation to another, had paid a mere $132,000 in estate taxes -- a rate of four one-hundredths of one percent.[5] Had they set up those trusts in the United states, they would have owed more than 7,000 times that amount in taxes..."<
Edward (Ted) Kennedy - Discover the Networks

VanceMack said:

Gore was beat in 2000. There was nothing to 'give up'.

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Is your opinion universally accepted??

Iran Contra...pretty sure there were a LOT of hearings.

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But not indictments as even seasoned Repubs would admit could have happened..And as for hearings on the Iraq war...there is a reason dems didnt pursue it.

See...when Bill Clinton and damn near every elected democrat from 1992 til 2004 said the exact same thing as GWB

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This has not been proven completely..

its kinda hard to say "yeah...but BUSH lied..."

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When the GOP says something that is wrong, it is not a lie--pretty lame Vance..

NIMBY said:

Is your opinion universally accepted??

But not indictments as even seasoned Repubs would admit could have happened..And as for hearings on the Iraq war...there is a reason dems didnt pursue it. This has not been proven completely..

When the GOP says something that is wrong, it is not a lie--pretty lame Vance..

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Universally accepted by everyone that isnt 100% committed that Gore by gawddamn MUST have won. And no...no indictments...which means they couldnt prove anything even though they tried desperately to make it stick. But as to the democrats and their statements...yes...HELL yes...they said the EXACT same thing as Bush. More even. Clintons Sec of State, Clintons Sec of Defense, Clinton himself, Gore, Daschle, Pelosi, Hillary...people that had access to intel briefings long before Bush ever became president. Personally? I would have LOVED to see that dog and pony show.

X Factor said:

Actually, is it really bad to place ideology above country? If the US (or more acurately, those acting under the color of US authority) say, started systematically searching houses looking for guns to confiscate that would run directly counter to my ideology and I would not change my ideology just because it's the US doing it.

I might even be actively disobedient.

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Actively disobedient people end up behind bars.

I wish to never be associated with the Kennedy name..
I was sitting right there in a 5th grade classroom on Travis AFB when Kennedy was assassinated..
Since hind-sight is all the rage these days, I can rage against the Kennedy machine..

APACHERAT said:

Philanthropist like Bill Gates another Dem who seems to be more
concerned with the third world than Americans living in third world conditions in America.

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there are plenty of Republican Kennedys that need their holdings nationalized also..

Soros should be in prison.

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I don't know of all of Soros exact crimes..

VanceMack said:

Universally accepted by everyone that isnt 100% committed that Gore by gawddamn MUST have won. .

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Please GOPers never whine about Sarvis types in Virginia when Nader cost the Democrats Florida in 2000 and Wallace gave us Nixon in 1968..
This **** always works both ways..

shrubnose said:

Actively disobedient people end up behind bars.

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Only when they lose.

NIMBY said:

Please GOPers never whine about Sarvis types in Virginia when Nader cost the Democrats Florida in 2000 and Wallace gave us Nixon in 1968..
This **** always works both ways..

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Im not up on my yen exchange rates, but I think its 1.73...the price of tea in China. I know...not really relevant to the discussion, but then...neither was your comment. I havent complained about third party candidates splitting off votes. Hell...I BACK third party candidates. I vote for third party candidates.

radcen said:

Is the President YOUR President?

I occasionally hear people say, "President <insert name here> is not MY President!" Usually by people who intensely dislike the current President. To me, this places party loyalty, and to a lesser extent ideology, above country.

Have you ever had such sentiments?

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Obama is an extremely weak leader. He's incompetent, I don't believe he gives a single **** about this country, or the People of the United States, his international policies are miserable failures that make us look like a total joke, he ignores the voice of the American People, he's a blatant liar, he keeps bombing small villages full of little brown people with his flying terminators after making his 2008 election campaign about ending the war on terror, and I just don't ****ing like him. Not only do I not like him as a leader, I don't like him as a human being. He's a jackass who's so full of his own **** his eyes are turning brown, and I don't like being scolded, or told I'm brainwashed by the NRA, or any other conservative group that I happen to agree with on certain topics, just because he didn't get his way. His public tantrums would be entertaining if they weren't so humiliating to watch, because unfortunately, the son of a bitch is my ****ing president, no matter how much I wish he wasn't.

Navy Pride said:

He is not my president because I don't believe was legally elected and not qualified to be president.

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Your belief is irrelevant, NP... and incorrect. He IS your President, like it or not.

X Factor said:

Ok, I'll take a crack at it. What if I believe the current president actually does things to harm this country? I disagree that the president and the country are one in the same and that not supporting him in those things that I feel are harmful does not mean I'm not supportive of the US. I thought I remember Hillary screeching (literally) that dissent was a positive thing.

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There is a distinction between not supporting a President's policies and not supporting a President AS President.

Sounds like a Rush rant. Good job.

Surtr said:

Obama is an extremely weak leader. He's incompetent, I don't believe he gives a single **** about this country, or the People of the United States, his international policies are miserable failures that make us look like a total joke, he ignores the voice of the American People, he's a blatant liar, he keeps bombing small villages full of little brown people with his flying terminators after making his 2008 election campaign about ending the war on terror, and I just don't ****ing like him. Not only do I not like him as a leader, I don't like him as a human being. He's a jackass who's so full of his own **** his eyes are turning brown, and I don't like being scolded, or told I'm brainwashed by the NRA, or any other conservative group that I happen to agree with on certain topics, just because he didn't get his way. His public tantrums would be entertaining if they weren't so humiliating to watch, because unfortunately, the son of a bitch is my ****ing president, no matter how much I wish he wasn't.

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disneydude said:

Other than Texas.....I consider all of the United States my country....Texas is in a whole other world though. It is, afterall....the land that gave us GWB, Ted Cruz and Rick Perry....

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Thanks...you made my point.

Navy Pride said:

They threated to leave but none did.

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I think a couple of celebs bought homes in other countries and 'symbolically' move there. Johnny Depp comes to mind.

Kobie said:

I sure don't. I don't treat the red states as if they are some foreign land.

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Not everyone but, many mock the policies that made Texas well off and self sufficient. Sounds like envy if you ask me.

Legally he is not the president of the USA.

The US constitution clearly states that the US president must be a Natural Born Citizen of the USA.

Since Obama's father was not a US citizen but merely in the US on a student visa, Obama jr. is ineligable to be president of the USA.

WCH said:

Not everyone but, many mock the policies that made Texas well off and self sufficient. Sounds like envy if you ask me.

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Sure, if that helps ya sleep better.

Muhammed said:

Legally he is not the president of the USA.

The US constitution clearly states that the US president must be a Natural Born Citizen of the USA.

Since Obama's father was not a US citizen but merely in the US on a student visa, Obama jr. is ineligable to be president of the USA.

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Kobie said:

Sure, if that helps ya sleep better.

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As a matter of fact....it does.

What keeps us awake at night is knowing the direction this country, as a whole, is taking. Texas would be drug down with the rest of the states should the national economy totally crumble.

WCH said:

As a matter of fact....it does.

What keeps us awake at night is knowing the direction this country, as a whole, is taking. Texas would be drug down with the rest of the states should the national economy totally crumble.

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Texas Ego is not an endearing quality.

Kobie said:

Texas Ego is not an endearing quality.

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Sorry you don't feel secure in your own (state) skin.

I don't need to brag about our situation here in Texas. It speaks for itself.

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Cute.

So then is it safe to assume that you have absolutely no argument to show that I'm wrong?

Why would anyone care about whether someone is something to them, presidents or states? Other than needing others to help you defend your rights, theres nothing special about some meta label of a collection of individuals. That smacks of nationalism, a slippery slope to doing things that are wrong for the sake of loyalty. You dont have to worship the USA, or the President, or anything other label which you happen to be included in.

I'm not willing to throw the country under the bus. I just wish our president would stop trying.