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    Re: Is the President YOUR President?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Are you my ex wife? She always used that last sentence. Bush didn't do nearly as much damage to the country nationally and internationally as Obama. I questioned many of Bush's decisions and I believe he made some bad choices but he didn't drag us back to a welfare state, he didn't try to print us to prosperity, internationally our friends knew what to expect from us and our enemies knew where they stood. Obama has turned us into a joke internationally. Putin is more respected than Obama. There's some truth for you.
    Truth? Nothing you posted contained even the smallest bit of truth.

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    Re: Is the President YOUR President?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Prior to Obama I thought you were a natural born citizen if you were born here.
    Nope.

    212. Citizens and natives.

    >" The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. "<

    Vattel: The Law of Nations: Book I

    Vattel’s Law of Nations and the Founding Fathers

    >" Vattel was the key in the United States Constitution in determining the Article 2 Natural Born Citizen clause. Here is a list of the references used by John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington in regards to Vattel’s Law of Nations. This should dispel any notion that the Founding Fathers did not use the Law of Nations as their guide..."<
    Vattel’s Law of Nations and the Founding Fathers | Nobarack08's Weblog


    'The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law' as U.S. Federal Common Law Not English Common Law Define What an Article II Natural Born Citizen Is

    >" There are two United States Supreme Court decisions that show that the meaning of an Article II “natural born Citizen” is not found in the Fourteenth Amendment or in any other part of the Constitution, but rather in the common law. The Supreme Court decided these cases after the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted in 1868. In the first case, the Court decided whether the person was a "natural-born citizen" and in the second one whether the person was a "citizen of the United States."

    Chief Justice Waite, in Minor v. Happersett, in 1875, stated: "The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens,as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first." Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875). Additionally, it is important to note that, even though the Fourteenth Amendment was already in place, Justice Waite stated that there is doubt as to whether a child born in the United States to foreign parents is a citizen (Id. at 167-68) and that the Fourteenth Amendment did not affect the citizenship of men or women. Id. at 170. It is also critical to note that Justice Waite did not refer to the English common law when defining a "natural born citizen," for we shall see that the English common law did not consider the citizenship of the child's parents when declaring that child a "natural born subject." Rather, Justice Waite refered to the "common law" that as we shall see below has its origins in the law of nations and natural law and which became U.S. common law..."<

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    Re: Is the President YOUR President?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Prior to Obama I thought you were a natural born citizen if you were born here.
    Why did you think that?

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    Re: Is the President YOUR President?

    If you are born here, it is natural. The right just tried to change the definition when Obama came along. I dont believe it says anything about your Daddy in the constitution, does it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Why did you think that?
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    Re: Is the President YOUR President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Puigb View Post
    Truth? Nothing you posted contained even the smallest bit of truth.
    Thank you for your elucidation. Are you related to my ex wife?
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    Re: Is the President YOUR President?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    If you are born here, it is natural. The right just tried to change the definition when Obama came along. I dont believe it says anything about your Daddy in the constitution, does it?
    No, actually the definition was there long before the usurper Obama was ever even born.

    Read post 172. You'll probably learn something if you are intellectually capable enough.

    If not, well then you shouldn't be able to vote IMO.

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    Re: Is the President YOUR President?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    If you are born here, it is natural. The right just tried to change the definition when Obama came along. I dont believe it says anything about your Daddy in the constitution, does it?
    Amendment XIV
    Section 1.
    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Excerpt:

    >" So what was to be the premise behind America’s first and only constitutional birthright declaration in the year 1866? Simply all children born to parents who owed no foreign allegiance were to be citizens of the United States – that is to say – not only must a child be born but born within the complete allegiance of the United States politically and not merely within its limits. "<

    What ‘Subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof’ Really Means

    Re: Barack Obama, Barack's father was a British subject and a citizen of Kenya and owed no allegiance to the United States. Obama's father was never issued a immigration visa so he wasn't an immigrant and owed no allegiance to the Unites States.

    Note: This article was first published when 99 % of Americans didn't know who Obama was. It's not a birther thing. It was the law at the time and it was what I was taught in school.

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    Re: Is the President YOUR President?

    I am about sick of being nice to ****ing jerks. **** you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    No, actually the definition was there long before the usurper Obama was ever even born.

    Read post 172. You'll probably learn something if you are intellectually capable enough.

    If not, well then you shouldn't be able to vote IMO.
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    Re: Is the President YOUR President?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Nope.

    212. Citizens and natives.

    >" The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. "<

    Vattel: The Law of Nations: Book I

    Vattel’s Law of Nations and the Founding Fathers

    >" Vattel was the key in the United States Constitution in determining the Article 2 Natural Born Citizen clause. Here is a list of the references used by John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington in regards to Vattel’s Law of Nations. This should dispel any notion that the Founding Fathers did not use the Law of Nations as their guide..."<
    Vattel’s Law of Nations and the Founding Fathers | Nobarack08's Weblog


    'The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law' as U.S. Federal Common Law Not English Common Law Define What an Article II Natural Born Citizen Is

    >" There are two United States Supreme Court decisions that show that the meaning of an Article II “natural born Citizen” is not found in the Fourteenth Amendment or in any other part of the Constitution, but rather in the common law. The Supreme Court decided these cases after the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted in 1868. In the first case, the Court decided whether the person was a "natural-born citizen" and in the second one whether the person was a "citizen of the United States."

    Chief Justice Waite, in Minor v. Happersett, in 1875, stated: "The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens,as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first." Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1875). Additionally, it is important to note that, even though the Fourteenth Amendment was already in place, Justice Waite stated that there is doubt as to whether a child born in the United States to foreign parents is a citizen (Id. at 167-68) and that the Fourteenth Amendment did not affect the citizenship of men or women. Id. at 170. It is also critical to note that Justice Waite did not refer to the English common law when defining a "natural born citizen," for we shall see that the English common law did not consider the citizenship of the child's parents when declaring that child a "natural born subject." Rather, Justice Waite refered to the "common law" that as we shall see below has its origins in the law of nations and natural law and which became U.S. common law..."<

    Continue -> Natural Born Citizen - A Place to Ask Questions and Get the Right Answers: 'The Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law' as U.S. Federal Common Law Not English Common Law Define What an Article II Natural Born Citizen Is


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    you seem to not notice some things. If law of nations were indeed law of the land, it would be regularly cited in court cases. and Vattel was a proponent of "natural law", but the founders worked from English common law, that is a big difference.
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    Re: Is the President YOUR President?

    I really did always think it was just being born in US to make you a natural born citizen. I would really like to find a book from way back talking about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Amendment XIV
    Section 1.
    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Excerpt:

    >" So what was to be the premise behind America’s first and only constitutional birthright declaration in the year 1866? Simply all children born to parents who owed no foreign allegiance were to be citizens of the United States – that is to say – not only must a child be born but born within the complete allegiance of the United States politically and not merely within its limits. "<

    What ‘Subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof’ Really Means

    Re: Barack Obama, Barack's father was a British subject and a citizen of Kenya and owed no allegiance to the United States. Obama's father was never issued a immigration visa so he wasn't an immigrant and owed no allegiance to the Unites States.

    Note: This article was first published when 99 % of Americans didn't know who Obama was. It's not a birther thing. It was the law at the time and it was what I was taught in school.
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