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Minimum drop out age

Sould the drop out grade be lowered

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 28.6%
  • Keep it the same

    Votes: 7 20.0%
  • the grade shouldent exist and they should stay in school till 12th grade

    Votes: 18 51.4%

  • Total voters
    35

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Ok so i would just like to ask something tha has been bugging me. Sould the drop our grade be lowered.I mean of course i accept that all kids should have an education, but why are we wasting money on so many kids who dont want to be there. We should have it so that say from 9th grade, if the kids want to drop out and riun their lifes, it is their choice. if the parents dont want them to, they can force them to stay in school, but you have all of these kids who are failing classes, ditching, sometimes even going to drugs, and we waste money putting them through year after years of school.

So question: should the drop out grade be lowered from 11th grade
 
Ok so i would just like to ask something tha has been bugging me. Sould the drop our grade be lowered.I mean of course i accept that all kids should have an education, but why are we wasting money on so many kids who dont want to be there. We should have it so that say from 9th grade, if the kids want to drop out and riun their lifes, it is their choice. if the parents dont want them to, they can force them to stay in school, but you have all of these kids who are failing classes, ditching, sometimes even going to drugs, and we waste money putting them through year after years of school.

So question: should the drop out grade be lowered from 11th grade

Very interesting question. I think I agree with you. Why not just accept that losers are losers and get on with hopefully better class sizes and more enthusiastic students.
 
it's my opinion that dropping out should not be allowed at all, because there is a significant societal cost. a high school education should be the bare minimum; problem students can be channeled into at-risk programs.
 
it's my opinion that dropping out should not be allowed at all, because there is a significant societal cost. a high school education should be the bare minimum; problem students can be channeled into at-risk programs.

Or aborted.
 
it's my opinion that dropping out should not be allowed at all, because there is a significant societal cost. a high school education should be the bare minimum; problem students can be channeled into at-risk programs.

It's not that easy. It's not like 100% of the kids who drop out actually want to drop out.
 
this may sound slightly insane, but....

I don't think kids should be allowed to drop out at all - although if a state allows it, they could be homeschooled and the like.

However, everyone should be required to get a HS diploma - if they have mental issues they should receive extra help, and if they are prone to not giving a damn they should be required to at least meet minimum standards.

If they refuse, they also should recieve extra help, but in a different form, up to and including armed guards locking them in a classroom until they either die or learn.

Ok that last bit might be SLIGHTLY overkill. :mrgreen:


Edit: Further, I would fully support a law that requires parents to attend some meetings between the parents, the teacher, and the kid.
And by requires I mean if you don't show up an arrest warrant is issued and the police can drag your ass there. Pay the parents for their time if necessary, assuming their financial situation is that desperate. And don't allow them to be fired for not being at work during such a meeting.

Man, I'm turning into a totalitarian or something...
 
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It's not that easy. It's not like 100% of the kids who drop out actually want to drop out.

and that's why the option should be removed. barring severe physical illness, there isn't a good reason to not at least finish high school.
 
Ok so i would just like to ask something tha has been bugging me. Sould the drop our grade be lowered.I mean of course i accept that all kids should have an education, but why are we wasting money on so many kids who dont want to be there. We should have it so that say from 9th grade, if the kids want to drop out and riun their lifes, it is their choice. if the parents dont want them to, they can force them to stay in school, but you have all of these kids who are failing classes, ditching, sometimes even going to drugs, and we waste money putting them through year after years of school.

So question: should the drop out grade be lowered from 11th grade

In fact, the current educational system only hits 35-40% of the students. The rest respond to alternative educational methods. Correctly motivated, they will do just fine. The Nation wants a "one size fits all" method and it can't be done. Vocational high schools and trade schools hit another percentage. The students realize that they must acquire reading and math skills to do what they enjoy. Or be able to read the instructions on "How To Dye or Curl Hair." The status quo fights the alternatives because they feel it might cost them jobs. Even an occasional "loser" slips through the cracks and learns something. The answers can't be simplified.
 
and that's why the option should be removed. barring severe physical illness, there isn't a good reason to not at least finish high school.

Why is it so important to finish HS? I mean, its a good idea and so is College but why do you think we should impose it on the unwilling. What if the youngster wants to open a business or travel the world instead?
 
I'm fine with it staying as is so long as schools are safe and not ****ty. As it stands, i favor removing drop out age altogether and shutting down dysfunctional schools.
 
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and that's why the option should be removed. barring severe physical illness, there isn't a good reason to not at least finish high school.

There are other things besides a physical illness that contribute huge obstacles to a high school diploma.
 
it's my opinion that dropping out should not be allowed at all, because there is a significant societal cost. a high school education should be the bare minimum; problem students can be channeled into at-risk programs.

On the Left Coast an "at-risk program" is called the California Youth Authority. The big house for juveniles where they continue their education on how to beat the system and make a buck without earning it.

All high school dropouts should be required to become employed by the Conservation Corps picking up trash and clearing brush until they turn 18 years of age.

Maybe requiring that you must have a high school diploma to be able to go on the doe including Obama phones.
 
it's my opinion that dropping out should not be allowed at all, because there is a significant societal cost. a high school education should be the bare minimum; problem students can be channeled into at-risk programs.

There is no question some students should not be in school when they don't want be. They pose a threat to the others education to a small degree, however we should not accept a society that thinks people can get by with no education.
 
I mean of course i accept that all kids should have an education, but why are we wasting money on so many kids who dont want to be there.

I've always been a big believer in the notion that you can't squeeze water out of a stone.

If someone isn't going to learn/ benefit from our traditional HS education, why should we force the issue. Although I think it is good for people to attain some level of education, I bet we'd get a lot further if we made vocational education more widely available to people who'd otherwise drop out of school in 9th grade.

Compulsory military/ cadet service could also be an option.

So could verifiable work commitments, I had a job prior to entering 9th grade.

So question: should the drop out grade be lowered from 11th grade

By the time I was in 9th grade I had a decent handle on things, and although I'm glad that I didn't drop out of school, I believe that I could've survived if I had.
 
Why is it so important to finish HS? I mean, its a good idea and so is College but why do you think we should impose it on the unwilling. What if the youngster wants to open a business or travel the world instead?
Perhaps the requirements for a HS diploma or equivalent need modified.

But I do think everyone needs at least some basic knowledge, which a HS diploma or equivalent gives.

It irritates me that our educational system seemingly fails at this task in many cases - perhaps because it attempts to use the same template for everyone, rather than tailoring the learning experience to each student...

Still though, as I see it the answer is NOT to just let kids avoid education.
 
There is no question some students should not be in school when they don't want be. They pose a threat to the others education to a small degree, however we should not accept a society that thinks people can get by with no education.
So put them in a special class. With armed guards for the teacher, or something.
 

...and your opinion? Or is this OPINION© pice exactly your thougyts?

Perhaps the requirements for a HS diploma or equivalent need modified.

But I do think everyone needs at least some basic knowledge, which a HS diploma or equivalent gives.

It irritates me that our educational system seemingly fails at this task in many cases - perhaps because it attempts to use the same template for everyone, rather than tailoring the learning experience to each student...

Still though, as I see it the answer is NOT to just let kids avoid education.

Too many years since I've been in school. I wanted to work. I wanted to save money. My parents didn't do "allowances". School bored the hell out of me.

So I dropped out, got a GED, traveled the world, opened businesses and always had the advantage of starting earlier than my classmates.

So, it depends on why you want to drop out and from what I can tell, "public education" is less than excellent since all of it is geared to the lowest denominator.
 
If a kid wants to drop out of school at any age, he/she will do so. No matter what you do. Make a kid stay in school and all that kid will do is rebel and get all "F" wasting his/her time and the schools time. Forcing a kid to stay in school to get all "F's" is not in the best interest of the kid or the school. Having said that, public schools do not provide education as a trade school. Many students are not into a book learning education, but would excel in a trade school. Thus there should be an alternative for those students to attend. If they fail in the trade school, then so be it. They become one of the losers of society.
 
...and your opinion? Or is this OPINION© pice exactly your thougyts?



Too many years since I've been in school. I wanted to work. I wanted to save money. My parents didn't do "allowances". School bored the hell out of me.

So I dropped out, got a GED, traveled the world, opened businesses and always had the advantage of starting earlier than my classmates.

So, it depends on why you want to drop out and from what I can tell, "public education" is less than excellent since all of it is geared to the lowest denominator.
Now, see, that GED thing counts in my book - an acceptable alternative to a HS diploma.

It's people who get neither that I think are being let slip through the cracks
 
...and your opinion? Or is this OPINION© pice exactly your thougyts?.

my opinion is that completing high school should be the bare minimum.
 
I thought it was determined by age not grade completion? Could of sworn it was 16, at least in Florida.
 
my opinion is that completing high school should be the bare minimum.

Now, see, that GED thing counts in my book - an acceptable alternative to a HS diploma.

It's people who get neither that I think are being let slip through the cracks

Well, actually, in my heart I agree with you but I just don't know if it's possible. You'll have 38 year olds stilly trying to pass Sophomore year. And of course, it is wise and valuable to do this. Just because I got away with something doesn't make it right or smart.

Still, I've never regretted it. :3oops:
 
and that's why the option should be removed. barring severe physical illness, there isn't a good reason to not at least finish high school.

Yes there is.

Because it's haaaaaard. :shock:
 
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