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Thread: Minimum drop out age

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I agree we do not seem to do schools very well for underprivileged persons in difficult areas. Summerhill does not work well under those parameters. So you remove your own kids from the school. What remains are kids that will probably become problematic adults. We are losing a lot of potential there and it seems to be getting worse.
    Or your precious little babies need to learn how to deal with confrontation, just like they'll need to be able to do as adults.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    So are you trying to insinuate that all people can benefit from being schooled by people who aren't very smart?
    Yes. Your teacher does not need to be smarter than you for you to learn something.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Or your precious little babies need to learn how to deal with confrontation, just like they'll need to be able to do as adults.
    That, of course, is true. It is always helpful to be able to deal with the guy with the gun, when need be.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That, of course, is true. It is always helpful to be able to deal with the guy with the gun, when need be.
    If someone brings a gun to school, they'll be expelled.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    If someone brings a gun to school, they'll be expelled.
    Oh yes! We scan for weapons, don't we.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    No, they should be in school or doing some kind of community/military service. They should NOT be "hanging out," playing basketball, or loitering, or walking around, or getting their girlfriends pregnant and going on welfare.

    That said, the president of the multinational company i work for didn't finish high school, and he makes millions of dollars a year now. So that can happen too.
    you know thats a good point. maybe as a contingency to keep them in school we could say that say if you dropped out before the current drop out grade (i think its 11th grade) you would have to serve a year in the military.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Several people have expressed disgust with how well our current public school system trains kids.

    I agree.

    But how do we improve and/or replace it? No one ever seems able to answer that to my satisfaction.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    Ok so i would just like to ask something tha has been bugging me. Sould the drop our grade be lowered.I mean of course i accept that all kids should have an education, but why are we wasting money on so many kids who dont want to be there. We should have it so that say from 9th grade, if the kids want to drop out and riun their lifes, it is their choice. if the parents dont want them to, they can force them to stay in school, but you have all of these kids who are failing classes, ditching, sometimes even going to drugs, and we waste money putting them through year after years of school.

    So question: should the drop out grade be lowered from 11th grade
    I didn't know there was a minimum grade for dropping out. How would anyone force someone to go to school? His parents probably don't care.

    These are minors with problems. I don't think they should be given up on and discarded for so-called better students, although I agree they take up valuable time and attention from teachers & schools. Still, I think all efforts should be made to keep the kid in school as long as possible. He just might straighten out and end up graduating, even if it is with horrible grades. Otherwise, he is committed to a life of unemployment or lowly employment, possible homelessness, and misery. A person can't be a very productive citizen without a high school degree. He will also be a drain on society, getting food stamps, welfare (in the few states that give it), etc.

    If he makes it to the 11th grade, it is easier to get his GED later, since by osmosis he at least got some of the information he was forced to sit and listen to in classes. But if he dropped out in the 9th grade, it would be much harder for him to get his GED later.

    Someone aged 15 is too young to be labeled a loser, unless he enters a life of violent crime. People are very different at age 15 than they are at 30. There's a chance he could make it out of high school. If his parents cared about his future, he wouldn't be having serious problems, IMO.

    As for drugs, lots of teens do drugs and graduate high school. It's violence that matters, IMO. And in that case, he'll end up in a reform school, anyway. Problem solved.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    In fact, the current educational system only hits 35-40% of the students. The rest respond to alternative educational methods. Correctly motivated, they will do just fine. The Nation wants a "one size fits all" method and it can't be done. Vocational high schools and trade schools hit another percentage. The students realize that they must acquire reading and math skills to do what they enjoy. Or be able to read the instructions on "How To Dye or Curl Hair." The status quo fights the alternatives because they feel it might cost them jobs. Even an occasional "loser" slips through the cracks and learns something. The answers can't be simplified.
    Vocational and trade schools aren't the answer alone, since most places require a high school diploma for its employees. So even if he becomes a licensed plumber or carpenter, he'll have trouble getting a job with a company. EVERYONE benefits from readin', writin', and 'rithmetic. Every effort needs to be made to teach kids these things. It's necessary. He'll have to balance a checkbook, understand a rental agreement, learn to think, possibly handle money at his job, know what the interest rate on his later savings account means, etc. Trade schools are not a substitute for the basics. They are maybe a substitute for a college education, IF someone is inclined to do a trade as employment.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    Vocational and trade schools aren't the answer alone, since most places require a high school diploma for its employees. So even if he becomes a licensed plumber or carpenter, he'll have trouble getting a job with a company. EVERYONE benefits from readin', writin', and 'rithmetic. Every effort needs to be made to teach kids these things. It's necessary. He'll have to balance a checkbook, understand a rental agreement, learn to think, possibly handle money at his job, know what the interest rate on his later savings account means, etc. Trade schools are not a substitute for the basics. They are maybe a substitute for a college education, IF someone is inclined to do a trade as employment.
    The point is that the standard educational SYSTEM in the USA only hits 35-40% of students. That's the books and teacher style in a standard classroom. In a machine shop environment, the student has to develop his reading skills for instructrion sets, then his algebra skills for digital programming, and keep accurate written records of his work. That's readin', writin', and rithmetic' from a non-standard, alternative educational system and perhaps it only hits 20%, but it's the part of the 60-65% that the standard system misses. You get the same results with a different motivator. Many of these students build their own businesses with hands on skill and motivation. Just an alternative, and it does not produce dummies.

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