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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I see, so if responsibility is essential to preserve freedom, we must make people less free, so that people are responsible, so that in turn we preserve freedom. Wow, that makes no sense at all.
    education is key in creating responsible individuals who contribute to a stable society. a stable and responsible society requires less legislation to maintain. freedom depends on responsibility.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Schooling until the late 1800's and early 1900's was NOT compulsory for the most part and reading and education rates went though the roof. Today in order to use pretty much ANY electronic devise you must learn to read. Period. There is no real getting around it. If public schooling were stopped today I suspect that the reading rates would stay the same or increase.

    Schooling via the public schooling system amounts to no more than public indoctrination. There very little real value in it. It is designed to provide minimally educated workers, not thinkers or business people. Universities are starting to break now as they used to bastions for critical thinking and now are less and less so. Most of which that is taught in public school can be taught by the parents of the children. The rest can be done by tutors or the internet. Parents can easily best schools by providing practical experience for their children utilizing their new found skills. A far superior education can be had at a fraction of the cost currently spent by public institutions. For those that don't or wont get educated, well so far the world still needs ditch diggers.
    so, again, your argument is that there should be no minimal educational requirement?

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

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    so, again, your argument is that there should be no minimal educational requirement?
    No requirements whatsoever.
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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    No requirements whatsoever.
    ok. there is simply no way that we will find common ground. i'm not judging your opinion, but i disagree with it completely. a subclass of illiterate individuals relegated to that status by their parents or by their own immaturity is a concept that i cannot support. i do appreciate you answering the question directly and honestly, however.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    education is weightlifting for the mind. it is impossible to "waste time" strengthening the intellect of kids whose brains are achieving maturiity.
    Bull****. You are being extremely presumptuous when you insinuate that all students can be educated by SADFIs.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Bull****, You are being extremely presumptuous by insinuating that all students can be aducated by SADFIs.
    i suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on this issue.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on this issue.
    So are you trying to insinuate that all people can benefit from being schooled by people who aren't very smart?

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by JJB3333 View Post
    Ok so i would just like to ask something tha has been bugging me. Sould the drop our grade be lowered.I mean of course i accept that all kids should have an education, but why are we wasting money on so many kids who dont want to be there. We should have it so that say from 9th grade, if the kids want to drop out and riun their lifes, it is their choice. if the parents dont want them to, they can force them to stay in school, but you have all of these kids who are failing classes, ditching, sometimes even going to drugs, and we waste money putting them through year after years of school.

    So question: should the drop out grade be lowered from 11th grade
    No, they should be in school or doing some kind of community/military service. They should NOT be "hanging out," playing basketball, or loitering, or walking around, or getting their girlfriends pregnant and going on welfare.

    That said, the president of the multinational company i work for didn't finish high school, and he makes millions of dollars a year now. So that can happen too.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Actually in my experience the schools are nothing but havens for future criminals. They do *nothing* about severe bullying. You can't change someone like that. You can only get rid of them for the sake of everyone else. Saturday school, points, detention, none of that garbage works and in the meantime their victims, often very bright and well-behaved kids, suffer.
    I agree we do not seem to do schools very well for underprivileged persons in difficult areas. Summerhill does not work well under those parameters. So you remove your own kids from the school. What remains are kids that will probably become problematic adults. We are losing a lot of potential there and it seems to be getting worse.

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    Re: Minimum drop out age

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    So are you trying to insinuate that all people can benefit from being schooled by people who aren't very smart?
    i disagree with your broad assessment of instructors.

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